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**sdkgeo** · 09-04-2016, 07:41 AM

Morning all. Well, looks like James and Nat will stay on the block and Nat will go home. Will Nic and Corey try to reel James in the next few days? That will be interesting. I don't think the ducks will even think to do that with their egos outgrowing the house. Who will James go with?

**Starshine** · 09-04-2016, 08:05 AM

Good Morning All,

A carryover from yesterday's discussion:

Polgara said:

Yesterday, 09:29 PM
I'd like to see Paul and Victor say 'Hey, now we can have all guys!' and take James down then put up Nicole! Would love to see that! I know, I'm dreaming. It would show Nicole she is just a vote!

Good dreamin'

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**breakingwave** · 09-04-2016, 08:25 AM

It's always amazing these people who work so hard to get in tune with their decisions likeVic being so happy to finally feeling trust with some and then another day comes and he is willing to smash that alliance and take in another who he said he wanted nothing to do with. This year has been a huge roller coaster ride, people change their opinions about each other so fast. Not sure who is going out and if everyone is on the same page. I like that,makes the vote seem more individual rather than collective. Actual winner anyone guess in my mind , things change from day to day. .

**Starshine** · 09-04-2016, 08:38 AM

Again, a carryover for yesterday's discussion:

@herms is here : Like @SmilemakerRDH , I recall him mentioning Week 7, but when I looked it up, it said 78 days, which was Week 10 Double Eviction. I'd say I'm confused but I know a BBU Sage will follow shortly and sort me out. 🤔

**TTOTambz** · 09-04-2016, 08:50 AM

Good Morning All,

Every time I completed this post, something new happened. At this point I give up. An interesting maelstrom of cruelty and activity occurred last night:

BB18 Possum:
Corey is this season's greatest possum; winning ONLY when he HAS to. Makes you wonder exactly how many comps he's thrown. He pulls out the POV needing to keep himself & Nicole off the block so they remain safe, but more importantly control the vote.

I thought TPTB would manipulate this comp earmarking a James win. Then again if TPTB want to keep James this is likely a more direct route given he planned to save Nat if he won. (til a few hours ago when he learned Nat was right AGAIN!)

James Thwarted/Loss of Pablo may have thrown off Paul:
James had planned to tell New F4 to evict him or know he'll be gunning for all of them. Victor is the only one who wanted James ousted, but NCP want Natalie out & have already pretty much convinced Victor that's the way to vote. I wonder if Victor is sitting back thinking about how those 3 were quick to merge together on this decision.

Perhaps the main observation here was James was playing up his gentlemanly role to buy affection from Nat, but his quick turn about (and it is fair play) has Natalie and this writer wondering how sincere his gesture was in the first place given It now appears like James was so sure he was leaving he was only planning on making this speech to win favor with Nat and the audience.

He's also gone from saying he would target NiCorey and Paul to running back to them with one quick Corey hand gesture and the pair acting like the past 2 days was an elision and of course this all occurred between a bookmarked Nat trashing session and her being in the DR.

Ironically, for one of the first times this season Paul does not have an accurate read on the house believing both James & Nat will still protect NiCorey. There are multiple reasons for his inaccurate read.

Since the new Final 4 formed Paul has had little to no game talk with Jamalie. Throughout the game what allowed Paul the ability to maneuver and anticipate two steps ahead was b/c he had his finger on the pulse of the entire house.
That option has been removed partially because of Jamalie wising up during the eviction, but also because this new F4 have spent virtually all their time together in a straight up shunning of major proportions.
To that end, Paul was overhead by Natalie in the DR saying something she mistook, but the gruesome foursome has been on a constant Nat bash, so while the moment wasn't accurate the sentiment is in line with the past 48 hour roast.
While Paul is anything but a wall flower he often talks a bigger game when it comes to head on confrontations. He prefers to take his crudest swipes to the latissimus dorsi not close up. If you don't believe this is done on purpose note his concern regarding getting caught in the act and paranoia immediately afterward when neither Nat or James entertained him with more than a cordial response. Paul likes to put on an act when confronted or to create an effect, but up until today (of the liar's and manipulators remaining) he has managed the jury better than anyone.
Don't discount the effect of buying into the "cool kids" club as NiCorey's lies (mostly Nicole's) have been swallowed with extra sugar and with no questioning even when presented with the absence of reasonable believability.
Further, there is the rather obvious observation that w/o Victor playing HOH this coming week his 3 teammates may believe throwing James the HOH would offer the perfect opportunity to oust Victor at the hands of someone else. And the following week James would be the easy out given it would be the date's comp POV something James will easily finish last in.

A Watched Pot Never Boils:
James style of play is simple and straight up. His preference is to have very few quick meaningful minute long conversations, so his days can be spent joking interacting with the hamsters laughing and pranking. He plays the game straight up with no emotional outbursts or personal attacks.

As I said in a post yesterday, last season James read on the house was like Nat's this year, but he was continually dissuaded by Meg (who had a terrible read of the house). He returned this year likely vowing to not allow someone else to sway him resulting in him muting Nat who had a far more accurate take on the hamsters. Regardless, no one can point a finger at James for playing the blame game (like every single hamster has done), rather he took it on the chin owning his actions with Victor. He's quietly allowed Nat to vent and admitted she was right all along. He's taken Nicole and Corey's shunning like a champ. In truth I'm a little surprised James didn't see this coming (Nat the real target) given Nicole's aversion to estrogen and past history. (see James Blind Side below) .

My initial thoughts came prior to James learning yet again Natalie is correct and she is the true target. Prior to that I had crafted his sweeping gesture speech, but for now I"ve backed off that since James seems to have returned to play albeit 80+ days late. I've kept the scathing eviction speech in case things change, but for now I'm tabling it.

What changed is immediately after the Ducks & Schmucks finalized their target NiCorey began work on operation repair. And while the D&S agreed to keep Jamalie in the dark it took Corey all of 20 mins to slip a hint otherwise.

This led to James telling Nat and she responded in a way that upset James. Now, before everyone thinks I'm being too easy on Natalie let's stop for a second and think about this. Nat repeatedly warned James about her read on people and the game. He repeatedly told her this wasn't his first rodeo and to trust him. Every single time he has been wrong and every single time Nat has been the one whose game was hurt by it. Now we know it's Nat's game to play how she wants, but they chose to play as a team and he has told her repeatedly to trust him. Their alliance, friendship, basically everything is based on that trust and if Nat had gone against him last week he would have been pissed.

So her reaction to learning James would consider working with the people who effed her while she protected them based on James trust in them and their word IMO is warranted. While I'm glad James isn't going to give up, if he did play with NiCorey again it would be a real slap in Nat's face. She apologized to James numerous times, but personally I understand her anger and frustration.

Think about it, here's just a sampling of things Natalie has either called, questioned or been exposed to:

Telling James Nicole was rude to her (he ignored)
Gave examples of Nicole/Corey laughing behind her back & fueling the hate (James denied until Meech, the ducks and even james in person caught Nicole red handed, laughing about Pie attacking Nat & the fake, FT comments.)
Nat repeatedly warned James Nicole could not be trusted, James repeatedly told her she was wrong
Nat warned Pie was playing all sides of the house & Corey was his true F2
Nat said someone would return in a jury buy back James said it was too late
Nat did not want to put James & Paul on the block and worried NiCorey wouldn't honor their F4, James assured her he was right
Nat warned their would be a jury buy back & James is still looking for his buffalo nickel
Nat disagreed there would be a DE (James told her 100% there would be)
Nat warned James he had to win the HOH b/c NiCorey couldn't be trusted. He responded by giving Nicole the HOH
Meech/Natalie were worried all week saying the Ducks & Schmucks looked awfully cozy & inquired if he should check with these people he had asked Nat to protect and who would never cross them.
Nat/Meech both said Michelle would be evicted in a blindside. James guaranteed Nicole would never do that and would never waver from their F4

Um....I think we can all agree Nat has at a minimum the right to throw a minor tantrum. She said one impulsive angry comment and apologized repeatedly afterwards. James needs to put the shoe on the other foot. What if Nat had convinced James to take out Nicole and the week after they both were on the block via the ducks hands and as soon as the POV was over Nat was up hanging in their HOH room making plans for next week with him still being ostracized, laughed at and on his way out the door. It may not be on the same level, but it's close.

Bottom line: James was ready to call out NiCorey and go out making bold sweeping moves to honor Natalie. Cut to a few hours later and with the news he might be safe he dumps it on Nat he might be willing to return to work with the 2 people who blindsided him/Nat to take out Meech, haven't talked to them for 2 days, just lied and used his ride or die partner to protect themselves, have been talking crap non stop about Natalie and he might just go back and work with them anyway.

Sorry, I love James, but I get why Nat is questioning now whether this was the plan the entire time. Things may change over the course of the next few days, but it seems clear Nat is leaving and though ultimately it's her fault, James bears much of the ownership for being so adamant about I'm a vet, it's not my first rodeo, trust me I'm right, I'll bet you a buffalo nickel. I'd be pissed off too.

Shunning & Cruelty has cost Ducks & Schmucks:

As per above Paul spent so much time this summer in the under dog position perhaps his slip up today is tied to his over confidence. While I found it unfathomable Nicole and Corey spent so much time setting things up to throw it away by shunning Nat & James I'm even more shocked how easily they pulled James back in as if the past two days and events of this week never occurred.

Why can't James see NiCorey only want to cozy up to him for his vote and safety and in a week he'll be relegated right back in the role of assume the position son.

As for the Ducks & Smucks they are all working over time right now. As Paul told of Nat throwing James UTB both Corey & Nicole's faces changed b/c they understood (like we do, b/c they know) what Nat was really saying (at least IMO) b/c NiCorey know she means Nicole.

Nicole and Paul specifically worked over time trashing Nat last night and all 4 have agreed to keep James & Nat in the dark on who is leaving intending to blindside Nat via eviction so James can't win. (Corey of course waited 20 mins prior to letting James know 'he's still his bro' giving him the honor salute James, Corey and Pie used to use.

Nicole specifically is gaming hard to keep the Natalie hate high and simultaneously throw off the hamsters. Watching BBAD every time the Nat hate began to ebb, Nic re-stoked the fire. I have to say I was appalled by the cruel messages they spent over a half hour crafting to leave Nat. Grow the F up Paul, b/c we know you won't do that so you can get her jury vote.

Plus Nic is purposely not telling them 2 facts a super fan (and a vet) would know. Date comps historically occur at F4 POV and Part 2 of the Final HOH. Nicole keeps pushing James should stay b/c he doesn't know dates continually saying it likely going to be a date comp. Ummm not so much Nicole the past 3 F5 HOH's were the blocks picture puzzle of faces) Spencer won, the seesaw endurance/athletic comp Frankie won (and then Caleb won in the redo) and last year it was the egg comp that Vanessa won. The other piece of information she is holding back (and most assuredly knows) is one or both of the F5 and F4 (especially) players will leave on a shortened week. With the existing TV schedule we know this week's eviction occurs on Thursday the 8th, the following week it appears the Weds/Thurs shows will move up one day with the F5 player likely leaving Weds (though it could be a taped show) and the F4 player leaving Friday since it will be the last show until the finale

I have no idea why every year they get this wrong (especially the vets, but Nicole isn't a dummy so she's misleading on purpose).

Real Blind side might be on Ducks & Schmucks:

Call me crazy but listening to the Ducks and Schmucks plot to keep Jamalie in the dark til the last minute is something these 4 (specifically Paul & NiCorey have reveled in this season. Can you seriously imagine how upset Nicole would be if they treated her and Corey this way? Do you not recall the drama over her needing to know if she was leaving so she could wear her nice dress in BB16. The ducks & schmucks current intention is to evict Nat to blind side her (I mean seriously these 4 were so happy about the prospect of making her cry and hurting her even more - they do realize there is a jury vote coming right?) and so James won't be prepared.

This plan was aborted (at least by the Schmucks) as quickly as it was crafted when Corey told without telling James he was safe. And suddenly began joking with him as if the past week (and especially last two days) never happened. This may have been precipitated when Nicole walked in to find Natalie changing. Can I just say I saw Nicole shoot daggers at Nat repeatedly but she keeps saying it's the reverse. Nicole seriously won't be satisfied until it's just her surrounded by men, never going on the block and getting James out so she's the last vet. Hearing her tell Corey I cried in the DR about James today. Seriously Nicole? What it just took a week and 48 hours for your guilt to kick in.. PLEASE> She's entitled without warrant, rude with no reason and beyond cruel with no provocation I just can't with this girl.

Less than an hour before Corey hinted at James Nat told him they want us to believe you are the target but your girl is getting blindsided and leaving Thursday. Of course we can add this to James list of for sure things not happening but give Nat a gold star.

I've always adored James, but the fact he had this elaborate sweeping gesture ready to protect his girl and do it in spectacular fashion now feels shallow and looks like he simply believed he was gone so he wanted to gain a few extra brownie points from Nat and the audience for being such a gentleman. Things could change, but IMO Nat is allowed at least a pout over this. Funny James had no problem telling Nat to work with the ducks, but now that the shoe is on the other foot he's not so sure that's his best bet. Maybe I was wrong all along because I didn't think James found the 'cool kids' so enticing

We shall see, we shall see. And hey Back Yard Guy... it should be open today if you don't get those rubber snakes over the wall I want my money back. (tee hee).

**belle1** · 09-04-2016, 08:57 AM

Last night Paul, Nic and Corey convinced Vic taking out Nat was best for their game. Vic is reluctantly on board. The ducks talked about the risk of keeping James. Both the ducks and NiCorey plotted the take down of the Final 4 respective pairs. The ducks want Corey out, NiCorey want Vic out. With the pairs respective plottings it is very possible James gets to F4 because it will be hard for either pair to pass on the opportunity of getting one member of the other pair out. The HOH could very likely have the deciding vote.

James told Nat this would happen. Now if he just follows his advice and keeps quite while on the block he gets to F4. If by chance he wins HOH, he will put one of each pair on the block, then he can decide which pair is best for him going forward.

The LF's will still be boring most of the time but out comes will be fun to watch. I fully expect Paul to become hyper manic if he is not HOH because he knows the ducks are cooked.

**Starshine** · 09-04-2016, 08:58 AM

HeeHee another carryover:

belle1 said

Yesterday, 10:41 PM
So how long after eviction will Nic saddle up to James and tell him she always wanted to work with him but couldn't because he was with Nat and Meech.

Anyone up for a bet?

My only hope is that, if Nicole, this seasons 👑 Queen of the Preemptive Stink 👑, has one more opportunity with James, her preemptive - stink will turn into her very own fatal 'Dutch Oven'. 😈

**Starshine** · 09-04-2016, 09:55 AM

Okay, one more carryover, this one from yesterday's LFU, and is a question:

Yesterday, 10:14 PM
Natalie to James- they are going to try to switch it .. and keep you ..
James- because I'm not a threat...?
Natalie- yeah ...
James- that's been my strategy ...

Questions:

Do you think this is James being serious or a case of his dry sarcasm?
I don't understand the tone of this particular conversation between James/Nat. I know she's been on him lately but why, later in the feeds (#60+) , is she giving her history with Corey and Vic ... to the point where he says ''don't hurt my feelings'' ? And telling him he's not a complete threat? Just seems like she's trying to hit below the belt.

I'm not watching the feeds, so I've no body language or tone of voice to clue me in. Also, I've no idea of the context at that moment. It all seems so intentionally hurtful. What do y'all think?

**BettyBoo** · 09-04-2016, 10:07 AM

Nicole and Paul definitely want Nat to be evicted, Victor is reluctant preferring James to go, while Corey is just happy to have food, a bed, and a body to 'cuddle'.

Natalie is doing an uncomfortable data dump on James confirming her flirting with Corey and Vic for game purposes. This lets James know that after the more 'desirable' guys dumped her (for lack of a better word), she settled for James. Not saying she hasn't come to like James as a person, but I'm sure he's hurt to hear it. I think it'll be good for them to have some space to reflect on their relationship.

Once again, for all Paulie's game failures, if Nat is evicted next, then his Final Five is there except that Nicole replaced him. Both Vic and Paul want her as their No. 2, so question remains as to how they take the other out. They have danced around with their discussions of Final Two speeches of their resumes. Paul guesses James would come at Vic first, where-as Victor sees that Nat likes him and hates Paul. This is at the heart of their disagreement as to who should be evicted. They need a third party to take out the other Duck. It's not impossible, but I would be surprised to see them sitting together in Final Two.

Funny how the Ducks celebrating a win a few weeks ago in the storage room was delightful, but last night it was salt in the wound despite the fact that they did it after James and Natalie left the HOH. We love the underdogs until they become the overlords.

Hate Nicole and Corey all ya want, but they've made it to the Final Five. Yes, she played the snake, but did it well enough to take out player after player who should know better. They should have been down and out when Paulie was evicted, but bounced back with HOH and POV wins when needed. (Yes, James gave the HOH to her, but she talked him into it and its HER win, his loss.) Hate her and her game, but so far in this season it's worked.

I don't have a horse in the race any more, since, well, normally I'd say he's been put out to stud, but in Paulie's case may just need to say put out to pasture. So don't really care who wins. I may not like Nat, Paul or Nic, but could respect if they won. I would applaud a James win since he's a good guy. I'd be shocked by Corey win, but don't dislike him enough to be mad, would just scratch my head. Victor is most deserving of six left to win, but just hope he has to keep fighting for it. No one should concede an inch to him.

Its kinda sad when I'm more bummed about having no Crisco marathon than who's playing right now. Like birthday cake without a candle to blow out. Now filled with curiosity of the fall experimental season. I suspect we'll see more of Nemo and Dory than the 24/7 they promise. How will they handle the technical difficulties they had with Natalie's comp yesterday, for example. I'm sure they'll still cut for singing, production /DR talk or personal convo on those who haven't signed releases. But hey, maybe I'll finally get the slip and slide/teacup!

**BettyBoo** · 09-04-2016, 10:40 AM

Just turned on BBAD from last night and its the Good Bad and Ugly of Paulie. Get to see his sexy dance, yum yum. Now it's the grilling of Z, ugh ugh.

**misscmm** · 09-04-2016, 12:06 PM

What's with Corey asking Nic if she thought he was gay? Or her even questioning it? IF what we think has been some hanky-Panky going on in the TR... there shouldn't be a question, right? I really can't see any gay man fondling a girl for any reason - $500k or not. So perhaps, with her questioning his preferences, the cuddling IS just companionship and back rubs?? Since I didn't see the conversation, was it just another Nicorey weird "are you mad at me" Kneecorey and Corrrrreeeeeey moment? Achkkk..I need coffee...

**kokomogirl** · 09-04-2016, 12:51 PM

What a tangled web these hamsters have snared themselves into. The ''cool kids'' shunned the outcasts, would not let them play in their school yard games, verbally assaulted them behind closed doors. But, now faced with the fact that one of Jamalie is staying, both sides are scrambling to salvage the third wheel advantage that the hg not evicted will give them in their F4 alliance. Another example of this year's weekly voting block versus a true alliance. I wish Victor had waited to give his okay to evicting Natalie until he had time to talk to Paul one on one and be able to express his concerns without Nicorey being there. I would like to see Nat stay and fight, stirring things up a bit. James will go quietly back to Nicorey as it is the safest place for him and he has a better chance of making it to F3, F2 with them over the bromance. This week seems to be pretty much set in stone with Nat leaving. But it will be interesting how the 2 sides court James in anticipation of next week's HOH.

I am not invested in any one person winning at this point. I guess I'm still riding the Jame's train. It feels comfortable as I'm used to riding it, have my own assigned seat, and the other people on here are nice. I do not want Nicole to win. I do not want Corey to win. I am okay with Vic or Paul winning although I think one has relied on brute skill to win his way this far but has had little strategy other than to win everything. The other is a weasel who has played a smart but in your face, intimidating, overbearing, and chaotic game.

Looking forward to next week when lines will once again be drawn as at least one of the Ducks or Nicorey will be nominated. Two if James takes HOH. That might make for some good drama in the house for us.

**sofieckcs** · 09-04-2016, 01:31 PM

I think the Final 4 alliance is over. I can't see any more common goals for them to work on together. Each pair will now be working toward getting themselves and the person each of the pair wants in the third position.

I don't think James staying is set in stone either. Things will flop around for the next few days but the bottom line is Nicorey will make that decision. I think they'd prefer Pictor agrees so they don't have to draw the line in the sand just yet. A lot can happen before Thursday as each group thinks about the next step and who staying will be best for them.

**Yaya1300** · 09-04-2016, 02:09 PM

I may be wrong but I can't see Nicole voting out james this week. Therefore Corey will do what she wants. If victor decides he wants James gone I don't think Nicorey will care bc he can't play in HOH and they would believe it would be 3 against one in that scenario for HOH. If James had to 'give' the money to anyone right now (other than Natalie) it will be victor so I don't see Vic going on the block at all with a James HOH. It will be his way of 'making things right'. I would love for James to win HOH just to stir it up, but it would have to be something tptb want too and have a comp geared towards him.

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