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Morning all. Eviction Eve

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So there was some excitement over night. The guy with the bullhorn made an appearance and blasted in to the yard that Nicole, James, and Paulie had a preshow alliance. This caused a fight between James and Natalie and she found out all the crap that people have been saying about her over the summer.

James and Nat are no longer a couple. They are just friends now. Natalie is all about memememe and how she has to handle so much.

[JeanK]

Whaaaaaat? For reelz! I have been crazy, didn't read anything and deleted BBAD. Darnit. Are you fooling?

[misscmm]

Jean - BBAD ends at midnight and it didn't start until after that ... no deletions ... just fishies on the live feeds.

[herms is here]

Thanks for the update. I turned the feeds on at about 3:30 a.m. eastern time and we were getting fishes and then Jeff. I was wondering what was going on.

Do you think this will cause James to be the one that Paul and Corey evict?

[BettyBoo]

Tee hee that tricky Allison will do anything to wake the HGs up. I don't know how much she paid bull horn boy, but I woulda done it for free. I would ride a lawn chair with balloons into the yard-giggle. (And if I drift to the Jury House or Paul's family house that would be okey dokey too.)

Wonder who will be paying Nat' s bills now that James has given up on her? Guess he won't be pulling a Boogie proposal on finale nite. I'm a bit relieved for him, hoping he can get his head into the game again at this crucial time. Wonder if she'll get all 'Jamesy' if he wins? Guessing her spin in Jury will make her look like the poor wittle victim of those big mean boys (and evil Nicole). Won't be able to wipe the grin off my boy's face when she walks in.

Looking forward to BBAD -if- they don't edit the good stuff!!

[MrsVee]

I just watched BBAD AND OF COURSE IT HAPPENED AFTER IT WAS OVER ! I wouldn't be surprised if it was somebody Paul knows since he said he lives very close to the BB HOUSE .

[BettyBoo]

Oh fudgesicles now I gotta plop myself in front of the laptop, since the Firestick doesn't allow for calendar shifting on feeds.

[Melisandra]

Happy Pre-Eviction day. Did the blowhorn happen in BBAD?

[misscmm]

Nope. Afterwards. We got a bit of the blow up between Nat & James but very little.

[BettyBoo]

Just started watching last nites BBAD and there's Paul planning their after show success. Good luck, Paul, being on Big Brother isn't the license to print money he seems to think it is. It's a small niche audience. A few bucks can be made, but not millions. Reminds me so sadly of Enzo or Caleb who thought it was the ticket to Hollywood.

I think we fans have all had to explain BB to our friends or family who lump it in with Housewives and other reality shows. I cannot get Sgt B to even sample Survivor once a week, so forget the 24/7 of BB. I view both shows as an intense social experiment, with lots of life lessons in human behavior, not just a competition. It's like doing Jeopardy and Ninja Warrior at the same time you're dealing with family issues.

So far don't see James. Perhaps he's consulting with his divorce attorneys? What's half of nothing?

(soon as I posted it, he's jumping in bed with Nat. No conversation however. Just sad James sighs.)

[Walleye]

In the long run better now than later for James. He was losing his head.

[amj0715]

I also read that Victor/Paul have a plan for the upcoming week. They want Paul to win the HOH competition, nominate Nicole and James, win POV and take Nicole down, nominate Cory and send Corey home. They think that Nicole would pick Victor/Paul over James to go to the F3.

And this discussion supposedly took place AFTER the bullhorn episode, so I am not sure what they are thinking. If there was even a remote possibility that James/Nicole had a pre-show F2 deal, there is no way that I would take both of them into the F4 or F3. And why do they think that Nicole would pick them over James? Is it because they have been hanging out with her more lately? And they don't think she would be really upset that they voted Corey out of the house?

However, Nicole/Corey had a discussion earlier in the evening yesterday and discussed getting either Paul/Victor out this coming week. They went back and forth on which one should go and I don't think they fully decided on which one ... but regardless, they want to split them up next week and to get James on their side. However, if Corey/Nicole, get out either Paul or Victor this coming week, why wouldn't James team up with the remaining person and go against Nicole/Corey? James would have to know (unless he and Nicole do a have a pre-show F2 deal) that in a F3 situation Nicole would probably take Corey and Corey would probably take Nicole. If James joined Victor or Paul (which ever one remained in the house) and split up Nicole/Corey, then James would have a better shot at making it to the F2, correct?

And Nicole was lamenting to Corey that she didn't think she could win if she made it to the F2, regardless of who she was sitting next to but I am not sure that would be the case. She kept saying she doesn't have a good argument to use for the jury. However, I think she does, if she would just think about it. Since Frank's eviction, almost every person that left the house has made some comment about getting Nicole out of the house to the remaining HG ... and yet, she has still not been nominated once. If you have a house full of people saying to get rid of Nicole on their way out the door and NO ONE even so much as nominates her ... she has to be doing something correctly somewhere ... even if it is just by accident.

[LindaMDee]

IMO Nicole has been playing for the second place prize all along...with the chance she might get the top prize. I think right now she is just hoping/fantasizing a little more than usual.

[Kodi08]

This is the post I put up last night but it's relevant to this post

I believe James is the safest player next week. I'm also positive he will be throwing the HoH so he can at least go for the final 4 HoH.

If Corey/Nicole win they would turn on Paul/Victor
If Paul wins then he will go after Nicole/Corey

The stupidest thing either of the final four can do is put James up initially against any of the final 4.
For example if Nicole won and put up James and Paul and Victor wins the PoV then Corey becomes the replacement and the Ducks vote out Corey.

The correct option in this example would be to put up Paul AND Victor. If one of them win PoV then James would go up and Nicole would be the tie breaker to get rid of one of the Ducks

Now if James wins the PoV then he can decide to mix things up and cause the partner of the HoH to be put up and be the deciding vote to get rid of them. If Nicole/Corey win HoH he probably wouldn't do that to them but if it was Paul who was HoH and James won the PoV then Victor would be gone.

All that being said, If Paul puts up James and Nicole then he risks Victor getting kicked to the curb if Corey wins the PoV because Victor would be the replacement nom and Nic/Corey would control the vote.

[amj0715]

Kodi08 Nicole and Corey talked about that very scenario yesterday which is why she said she would put up Paul/Victor if she won HOH. It was Paul/Victor who said that they would nominate Nicole/James to get to Corey. I don't think that they fully thought it all out yet and the possible consequences if Corey won POV and took Nicole down and forced Paul to nominate Victor.

Nicole/Corey both said that they would definitely nominate Victor/Paul if they win HOH this week. So James is pretty safe this week, depending on who wins the veto. There are only two votes next week so the HOH would break a tie, if needed.

Nicole/Corey really need to win the HOH and POV this week if they want to stay in the game. The same can be said for Victor/Paul. James is safely in the middle of the two pairs and relatively safe this week.

[ManaDee]

Can someone go back to the James/Nat fight and let us know exactly what he said to her? Apparently he called her catty and some other stuff? Considering James has done nothing but apologize to that girl all season for even the slightest perceived slight, I'd be interested in hearing what all he said when he "went off" on her.

[belle1]

The fight happened during Fish after the bullhorn message. There are no details only rehash of some things said

[ManaDee]

Ah that makes sense. I was checking other sites and could only find the aftermath. Interesting the TPTB didn't let us see any of it.

[sdkgeo]

The fight happened during fish after the bullhorn, so we don't know exactly what was said. There only James' recap to the other 4 later. I missed the time then couldn't find it again after looking for the time of the bullhorn.

[belle1]

Bullhorn around 12:20 BBT James re-telling mostly venting 1-2ish, James Nat 2:30ish-5:30

[BettyBoo]

Just read a good one in my current book:

“Hey, Trey, how many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb?” “Just one,” he replied. “But the light bulb has to want to change.”

The joke kinda sounds like James as he's finally coming to the realization that Natalie isn't feeling the same way he feels for her. I'll be curious to see if she wearing her eye lashes today. Sad or mad Nat doesn't. Happy or determined to appear cheerful Nat wears them. The cameras were still on the fight, so TPTB may decide to share depending on how they want Nat or James to appear since so far they've had the candy floss edit. Since tonight is Veto night, we may not see it until tomorrow.

[ManaDee]

I honestly don't know how he has missed it for so long. Her constant comments about how she "cares for" him (that is not how most people describe it when they've caught feelings, that's usually the way you describe the opposite) her talk about them being "best friends".

I also find it odd that he finds nothing weird about her not wanting him to touch her (like the hand on the leg thing) because she doesn't want to show affection on TV, yet she has stated several times her plan was to come in the house and flirt with all the guys. It was her strategy. So she was going to come in and flirt with a bunch of guys on TV, but can't cuddle up with one she actually likes? Um okay. Unless she needed him to win an HOH, then she would say she would give him a kiss.

I mean, girl blew you off when you asked about getting her phone number and email address after the show, but you mention paying her bills and she doesn't even attempt to be like "oh no I wouldn't want you to do that".

I seriously hope James just drops this after she leaves on Thurs. She is not emotionally mature enough for a good relationship and he deserves someone who is just as into him as he is into her.

[kokomogirl]

Unless things change today, James will be staying. I hope he can clean up this mess with Natalie quickly today so James can get his head back in the game and be ready to play come tomorrow after Nat's eviction. I am afraid that he's going to be so preoccupied with their relationship that he's going to play to be evicted so he can go to jury house with her.

The Nat eviction seems pretty set in stone at this time. The excitement will be in who gets HOH. Someone from the F4 alliance has to go up on the block this coming week. While some would like to be able to throw this week's F5 HOH comp so they will be guaranteed a chance to play for the F4 HOH but will anyone feel safe enough to really throw it? I'm looking forward to the possible drama and the possible eviction of one of Corey, Nicole, Victor, or Paul. As long as James doesn't campaign to be evicted so he can join Nat, I think we will see the F4 splinter and one of them will be going to jury.

[cutencuddly]

James royally effed Natalie's game by giving that HOH to Nicole.

And Natalie is stuck in the house with five other people with nowhere to go because the one person who could be sympathetic to her kept ignoring her requests to be given some space to process what happened. And what happened was that she got effed over by her ride-or-die trusting Nicole more than her.



And I LOVE James and am voting for him for AFP, but he respected Nicole more than Natalie and screwed Natalie.



What a sucky couple of weeks and it is James' fault.

[Kodi08]

Strategically having Nat being voted out I believe guarantees James gets to the final 4 with a great chance of making it to the final 3 so in reality this is a great thing for James lovers

[misscmm]

At least Nat said things straight up to James that went in one ear and out the other. However, as much as people call her names, etc., I've yet to hear her say bad things about him behind his back. We may not like the way she says the things she does ... I do think she's been pretty consistent in her talks with him. As much as we like to believe otherwise, she has told him in SO many ways there isn't a future.

We've probably all had 1 person in our life that meant a lot to us whom we didn't want to hurt when we didn't feel the same about them. Sometimes you go along to remain friends and at times you are uncertain how you feel. It would be worse trapped 24/7 with that someone. You can't make someone love you.

[Ladycop]

I agree with cutencuddly and misscmm, Natalie isn't getting the benefit of the doubt from people....she has tried, without hurting his feelings, to back James off. He just didn't want to go. As far as her never wanting him to touch her, that is so untrue. Just look at the feeds from yesterday. She is laying in bed and James is there with her as they talk about who would vote for him if he was there in the end. James is stroking her face and she is just laying there telling him that she will work to get votes for him. James is important to her, he just isn't someone she knows she could make a life with. I think as time has gone on it has become more and more apparent to her. I think they could be very good friends outside the house.

[Pammer]

She (Nat) is the main one who wanted Paul out because of the FT comments. She should have let meech put up who she wanted, and she should have put up Paul. Wonder what the outcome would have been then..all I remembered James saying is...I will support YOUR decision. I could be wrong, The docs got me on a lot of meds right now. Help me out BettyBoo and @ManaDee?!?

[Ladycop]

I'm neither one but if your question is whether James just told her that he would support her, that is true. However, if the question is that he had no input whatsoever into her noms that would be incorrect. They had talked about who they would put up prior to her winning.

[ManaDee]

She wanted Paul. James convinced her that if Paul was going up, it had to be Paul/Victor as opposed to Paul and anyone else, so Natalie convinced Michele that it had to be Paul and Victor.

[misscmm]

Don't forget Nic told Nat that Paulie (and then again to Nat & James when together) that Paul was coming after James. She said no one comes after my man hence the nomination of Paul. She reassured Vic he was the Pawn. This is the conversation re: trusting the wrong person that every one had misinterpreted as throwing James UTB.

[amj0715]

Did James really throw that HOH comp to Nicole? I was watching live and James looked like he was struggling. I know he says that he is the "king" of the wall comps but it looked like he was struggling a bit. I am not saying that he couldn't have stayed up there longer, but Nicole was pretty comfortable and steady. If he had stayed he would have had to outlast her and I am not entirely sure that he could have done it.

I think he decided to give it up to save face and still be able to say that he is the "king" of the wall comps and the only reason he didn't win that one was because he gave it to Nicole. James' entire body was shaking and he looked really uncomfortable. I think he just wanted off that wall and decided to give in because he realized that Nicole wasn't going to jump off for him and she wasn't likely to fall anytime soon.

[~smee~]

That's a totally subjective call, I think. People can probably come down on both sides of the did he or didn't he question and fully justify their positions. Reminds me of when Jeff ''gave'' the HOH to Jordan; in such a shot in the dark comp, we'll never know if he would have beaten her if he tried.

[Ladycop]

I think James gave that HOH to Nicole. He knew he would be safe and his game plan has been to not win until he needed to, and he didn't need to win.

[Luanne]

I agree, he was struggling. Nicole would have outlasted him, so he decided to fall. He was weak from being a have not.