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**sdkgeo** · 09-09-2016, 05:55 AM

Morning all.

Yeah, that HoH was a foregone conclusion. Now to go find out what plans were talked about.

**JeanK** · 09-09-2016, 06:27 AM

Maybe not her exact words but Natalie thanked her friends and family for their support of her life long dream (BB) but her next remark is she knew nothing about the game. Huh?

**TTOTambz** · 09-09-2016, 06:27 AM

Good Morning Geo and all who follow,

It's F5, day 88 and a new power player emerges!

I brought this up recently and I'll reiterate................... Corey has been playing possum and made me re-analyze his game. At this stage I can clearly see his strategy and provide conjecture on what he's been whispering in bed other than Harry Potter, Unbelievable Harry Potter.....

The man who had the biggest target in the house (PIE) attached to him since Day 1 & a showmance with the 1 vet everyone seemingly wanted to like them (Nicole) may have had the best strategy this season.

Sure Victor has been a comp beast beyond comparison. So much so that he was sent packing twice for it. Yet, he lacks the ability to spot devious play since his loyal heart can't fathom it possible. His pond mate Paul adapted repeatedly & was masterful at spreading lies, manipulating and sparking fear in anyone who dare challenge him with truths. He's been a bit of a power whore, but his strategic and social games rank at the top of the heap.

While Nicole may have been this season's snake it was Corey who was lurking, hidden in the shade:
Corey attached himself to likeable powers, endeared them to want to make him their F2 and spent the summer chilling & playing beach blanket bingo. He was so successful many (myself included) thought he was a dim witted victim of lucky circumstance. Now the picture is far clearer with Corey having won every competition that mattered or could threaten his safety. DE double header (HOH/POV), POV last week to ensure neither he or Nicole went on the block & now with the time ripe to split the ducks the F5 HOH.

His ability to perform under pressure and not get rattled is serving him well. Case in point early this morning he had to talk Nicole off the ledge as she panicked about putting up the ducks. Corey clearly sees they need to go up together despite her continuous ramblings of fear. The craziest part was when Corey said: So do you want me to chance you or James leaving? If you were in my position you would never hear those words come out of my mouth.

Which brings me to...........the final female in the house:

Can you imagine if Corey hadn't won what Nicole would have been like? She continued to say they should try to get James to spill something they could use against him to paint him with the reason why the ducks both went on the block. And how James could take one of them down to appease Natalie and then she would go home. She said they should cop to James about the F4 they made with the ducks beforehand to pull him in closer (she's lied to both sides saying no F4 ever existed). She ranted and raved and in her delirium decided it was important to tell James the ducks were freaked out by Mr. Backyard Megaphone man. Finally after what seemed like an eternity, James entered the kitchen. Nicole said if he came up that will be a positive sign, if not it's shady. Corey opined they should just call him up. Before Corey finished his thought James turned from the kitchen, food in hand and ascended the stairs to Nicole's delight.

After continuously saying he could be in a F3 with the ducks and never talked to them anymore. When asked James stated when was I supposed to talk you? You all are never alone. This a rather poignant statement b/c NiCorey wouldn't even let James have 5 minutes with Victor last week before interrupting.

Different strokes for different folks;

This above sequence showcased the difference in the trio's strategic & social games. Corey plays with confidence & level headedness, James under plays checking in occasionally to reinforce direction and Nicole plays from a position of fear, painting targets on all around her while constantly attempting to manipulate.

If it weren't for Corey's frat boy side he'd easily be someone I could want to root for. But a couple of conversation with Victor last night reinforced his lack of likeability. First Vic joked James was going to shower with Nicole. Corey's response was basically go ahead, have at it. Then Vic/Corey discussed getting Nicole drunk at the wrap party so they could meet girls. Corey emphasized he isn't attached and can do/go where he wants. Even James was overtly active in discussions regarding partying and picking up chicks which had be pondering if this was James trying to fit in, a shot at Nat (because there were plenty of those last night) or if Nat was right all along that James is more of a party guy. Corey is still "that guy" and has ZERO intention of continuing a relationship with Nic post show. That doesn't make him any less worthy to win.

Duck Pond freezing over?

As for the ducks Nicole is scared to death of what Paul specifically will do to create havoc and Corey feels Victor is level headed enough to see the reason in their nomination. IMO this is the one part of their analysis which is incorrect. Sure Paul will be ticked, but Victor will view it as another blindside and it will only serve to draw the ducks closer to James as they'll finally understand why Jamalie were so upset. One of them will leave this week and should Victor stay I bet he works with James to try to split NiCorey in F4. Heck Paul might also lean in that direction if he's the survivor.

For his part Paul is making (again JMHO) a huge mistake by constantly trashing Nat even to James). He suggested she might be a stripper, continued on about her being fake & even said she probably stole the playing cards (which production later confirmed they had taken back). It might not seem like a big deal but James & Nicole may decide Paul will be the more difficult out for the dates comp and this constant Nat bashing might push them in that direction should noms stay the same.

Anyway, my Corey blind fold is off, he deserves credit for his comp, strategic and social game and has what may well be the most well rounded game in the house at this moment.

Moving forward Corey has increased his target for next week, but this is no doubt the right move to make at this juncture in the game (in spite of Nicole's paranoia and fear).

Nominations will be: Victor & Paul
Eviction will be a duck
Safest this week Nicole (then James)

Quick turn around week (days) of F4:

Safest: James
Biggest Targets in order: Corey/remaining duck, (then if Corey is safe) James if Paul stays, Nicole if Victor stays

Should be an interesting couple days. NiCorey have rekindled their F3 with James with both citing him as their F2 if one of the leaves next week. Paul will definitely make a scene at some point and Victor is going to be thrown by this betrayal (and maybe both ducks will finally have some empathy for Nat since they went to bed confident "Nicole would never turn on them/lie by allowing Corey nominate them both. Meanwhile James will be able to say.... now you understand how we felt.

**JeanK** · 09-09-2016, 06:39 AM

Does anyone think that Jordan had work done? To her face? I always thought she was beautiful but her face looks really different. It's hard to remember how long it's been, Jeff never seems to change and Jordan has grown up. I will always picture them so many years ago, lol. But I think she had something done.

**OutOfTheDarkness** · 09-09-2016, 07:01 AM

Ok my fantasy for this eviction is as follows:

1. Corey noms Vic & Paul
2. James decides to team up secretly with Vic & Paul
3. During the POV comp, Vic throws the comp to James. Insuring both he & James are safe once James used the POV on Vic.
4. Corey is FORCED to place Nicole on the block as the replacement nom.
5. Vic & James vote to evict Nicole.

Granted this his would be us getting a nice thing & James has proven this season he is the reason why we didn't get many nice things. So no matter how much we pray for this outcome; James won't do this. Damn his pre game F2 deal with Nicole!!! Grr

**Luanne** · 09-09-2016, 07:31 AM

Good morning all- I can not believe how out of the loop I have been the past two weeks. Corey has suprised me with his game play. He is cool, calm and right. You have to put both Paul and Victor up. If he followed Nicole's play with fear and put up Victor/James, Paul wins veto, Nicole goes up and out. This should be an interesting short week. If Corey wins POV, nothing changes. If Victor or Paul wins , James will go up.

Victor could win POV and the next HOH. That would be great TV. I do not think James will win any of the remaining comps. He just seems to suck at them. The remaining Duck could win HOH and I am sure would nominate Corey/Nicole. Corey wins POV, James goes up. Would Corey vote out James or Nicole?????

I would love to be in the house as nominations are made today. Paul is going to be pissssssssed.

**Melisandra** · 09-09-2016, 07:37 AM

From the sound of the HOH discussions Corey and Nic are leaning to a Vic boot; but I think they need a Paul boot as he is more of a threat in Mental comps (Vic has won only the physical right?) And lets face it, Nic, James and Coreys strength are not mental comps....

**KeninVA** · 09-09-2016, 08:02 AM

Morning all,

Finally tuning in a little. With this final 5, James now occupies the spot Michelle was angling for. He is the indispensable 2nd vote. And with Corey now in charge, James is the safest in the house. Corey is going to insist on breaking up the ducks, and the survivor is going to fall to James, no matter what. James is unlikely to win safety at the F4 in either HoH or PoV, and so the emphasis will be on getting the surviving Duck out (as a comp threat) or breaking up Nicole/Corey. This leaves James pretty much untouched into the F3, where he has some chance to win Part 1.

For Corey's game, I personally think he should want Paul eliminated, as the bigger threat to win Part 4 POV. I understand the fear of Vic as a competitor, I just think Paul will be better at the traditional F4 POV, though Vic is no slouch in mental comps.

I expect James to push Vic as the boot, since he has had a major hand in both his prior evictions, including the direct boot before. What James needs is for Paul to win the F4 PoV. If there was anyway to get Paul to focus on Nicole, that would be his best boot. With Corey's comp record, Paul would be much more likely to take James to the Final 2 (I think), and Corey would definitely take him. I expect Paul would boot Corey, however, and James is not enough of a player to steer Paul to a better boot for James' game.

If Corey is the F4 boot, I think Nic is a lock for a final 2 chair, though again if James was better, he could point out that a jury full of women, who all wanted a woman to win in the F2, might give Paul pause. I am just not sure they see the house that way.

The house will be in super slow motion this week, as none of the players are particularly tactical in their ability to manipulate, and after Vic/Paul get blindsided by their nomination, there is no chance one of them won't go home on Tuesday.

**belle1** · 09-09-2016, 08:26 AM

Strictly personal play ramblings. If Corey, Nic and James in F3 and Corey has say in who goes, does he boot Nic. A good way to get her out of his life before rap party.And Paulie's boys make it to F2. Won't he be proud.

**amj0715** · 09-09-2016, 08:55 AM

Three strikes and you are out ... for good this time? Can Victor save his own game this week? We know that Corey is going to nominate Victor and Paul today. Can Victor pull out another win to ensure his safety in the house for another week? Or has his luck, in this game, finally ran out? Can he really survive a third nomination?

I know Victor keeps reiterating that he has 9 comp wins but 4 of those wins were in the Battle Back competition where he only had to beat one person. Corey now has 2 HOH wins and 3 POV wins under his belt. Can Victor keep his emotions in check to win the POV this week? Do we have an idea of what this POV competition will be? If they do nominations today and the POV, it could be the face morph competition that they do at night. How would Victor fare with that competition?

Now, I don't know how true it is, but both Nicole and Corey have said that they haven't really been trying hard to win a lot of the competitions this season. And they have managed to pull out wins when they really needed them. Do we think they have been laying low to avoid having a bigger target on their backs? Or are they just saying that to save face? I do know that they do seem to win competitions when they really need to, in order to protect themselves in this game.

Chances are really good that either Victor or Paul will be joining the jury this week. Unless James decides to jump ship and team up with Victor/Paul. However, regardless of whether they have a pre-show F2 deal or not, I think at this point James would rather be sitting next to Nicole. I think he is going to want two returning vets sitting next to each other. They have both played similar games and James will most likely think he has the best shot of winning if he is sitting next to Nicole at this point. I know a lot of people say that the jury is full of girls and that might give Nicole the advantage, but none of those girls really like Nicole, so she can say that it is actually a disadvantage.

However, based on the jury footage last night and Davonne's reaction, Nicole may have a better shot of winning if she makes it to the F2 than one would have previously thought. Regardless of how any of them will do with the jury ... I do think that there is a good chance that Nicole/Corey survive this week intact and that Paul/Victor are split up.

Can Nicole/Corey actually make it to the F2 as a pair? We haven't seen that since Dick/Dani in BB8. And if they do make it to the F2 together, who has the better shot at winning?

**nonobadfish** · 09-09-2016, 09:11 AM

Morning all...I was afraid that comp was Corey's to win, and lo and behold it was. Did he even fall once? The F5 veto could be morph or a puzzle. I think Victor is good in mental comps as well as physical, so here's hoping he starts his big comp run tomorrow!

If they follow the schedule from the last few years, we will have:

Today: Noms
Tomorrow (Saturday): PoV comp
Sunday: PoV Ceremony
Monday (Feeds Drop): F5 eviction, F4 HoH comp, F4 noms
Tuesday: F4 PoV Comp
Tuesday night show: Shows F4 HoH comp and F4 noms

After Tuesday night West Coast Show: Feeds come back and we find out who won the F4 PoV that was played earlier that day.
Remember in years past we have had to stare at the feeds, waiting for any little hint who won it.

Wednesday night's show: The live F4 PoV Ceremony and the F4 eviction. The F3 will start the endurance part 1 of the Final HoH at some point that night, and we should see most of that F3 Endurance Comp on the feeds after the show.
(Last year they didn't start the comp until after the show. The HGs had almost given up on it.)

It's possible they could do the PoV tonight instead of tomorrow if they want to do a night comp and their schedule is rushed, but I don't know....

Could be a fun week. HeyNicole? #NeverCared #TeamVictor

**Raineyc** · 09-09-2016, 09:20 AM

Hi all,

I've been missing for a few days but caught up on what's been going on a bit. I am soooo happy James is still here, and it seems he is in a good spot right now.

This week proved to be the unveiling of the true Nat in my opinion. I wasn't too shocked as I always had my suspicions about her using James. I was glad Julie called her out on throwing James under the bus. I didn't believe her at all when she claimed there might be a chance for she and James romantically. Although James has frustrated me to no end this year, I was proud of James for calling her out a bit during their argument, and standing up for himself. I hope they remain friends because I believe in forgiveness but I still feel like she used my James.

I'm excited the Ducks are going up, and although it's not what I want, I will admit the scenario some are posting about where James wins veto, takes down Vic or Paul, and votes out Nicole is HILARIOUS. 😂😂😂 I would LOVE to see that. However, I'm ready for one of the ducks to go. That is what's best for James game IMO.

**Raineyc** · 09-09-2016, 09:22 AM

May this next week go as I want because it's my turn to get nice things!! 😉😉😂

**nonobadfish** · 09-09-2016, 09:42 AM

I think what's best for James' game (what the heck do I know? Now I'm just sitting around pontificating because I have the day off

) ....anyway, as I was saying, what I think is best for James game is to pretend he's with Nicorey and also pretend he's with Victor and Paul until he sees how this PoV goes. He's already stated that he has 0% chance of making F2 with Nicorey and at least 1% chance of making it with Paul/Victor. So what James needs to do is to figure out the very best odds he has.

I don't think you have to worry about hurting feelings or breaking alliances or lying at this point. They're past the stage of sending people home for revenge. Now it's all about strategy...who will keep me F3 or F2 and who would I keep F3 or F2. How do I win money?

So James may can get to F3 with Nicorey, but the Final HoH Part 3 Comp you have to win to get the right to choose who goes to F2 is not James strength, and if Nicole or Corey are choosing, they're going to choose each other. So James needs to find someone for his F3 that MIGHT choose him.

I guess James best bet is to somehow be in F3 with one each of the remaining pairs. He needs to figure out a path that gets rid of Victor or Paul (probably this eviction). Then he needs to hope that the next eviction breaks up Nicole and Corey. It's probably best if Nicole is the one evicted because the guys are tempted to take her.

It's going to be hard to get rid of Nicole because she knows her dates and facts and she ought to do well in the F4 HoH and F4 PoV. Wish he could get her this week.

So if James can get the F3 to be James/Corey/Paul or James/Corey/Victor, I think he gets taken to F2 even if he doesn't win his way there.

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