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Morning all.

James, James, James. How could you let Paul win the endurance comp? Nicole will win part 2 and then the final HoH will be one of those two. I'm just not entirely sure that Paul and Nicole would take each other to the F2.

[Delvoire]

That's most likely what James is thinking. He's trying to win 2nd place.

[BettyBoo]

belle1 Hi you asked where do I come up with such things. A actually heard that nugget about Italy last nite on Conan and just had to run with the ridiculousness of it.

[belle1]

Love your sense of humor

[BettyBoo]

James knows he's the belle of the ball - either Paul or Nicole prefer to take him since he's a weaker candidate. Paul is on a roll and Nicole is feeling defeated without Corey. But she will beat James on next round. However will she be too nervous next Wed. to beat Paul in final round? I think Paul has a better feel for the other HGs than Nicole does, so could win on the scales.

Not thrilled about a Paul win because I don't like him, but damn that boy has fought tooth and nail to be where he's at. James is just a piece of lint now, stuck on whomever will take him to final two. Nicole is an annoying whiner, but managed to survive in the game winning enough comps to be the last girl standing.

Just won't be a satisfying ending on Wed. There will be tears and surprise. James will take second place. The winner won't thrill us like a Victor victory would have, though he'll win the AVP. Just another season with weak players, weird play and good enough numbers for three more seasons, one of which is the fall experiment. Let's hope casting will do better. We fans deserve more.

[Yaya1300]

I'm not sure who takes who at this point. Paul must be a really good liar bc I truly think he will take Nicole at this point. I'm confused.

[Ladychef]

I just wish they wouldn't cast want to be actors and actresses. I would love a season of just real big brother fans.

[Ladycop]

Ladychef, I hear you and couldn't agree more. Since I have already paid for the feeds I will watch the beginning of BBOTT, but if it's all young kids I'm pulling the plug. I can't understand how Survivor can cast all ages, but we still get these silly kids who have nothing better to do. I know that a group of retirees isn't the way to go either, but come on. I guess most of the sensible people are out working and can't take 4 months off to do a show like this.

[Luanne]

Good morning all- Good for Paul. Not one of my favorite house guest but he deserves to be in the F2. I hope he wins the final HOH. I have no idea which one he will take, Nicole or James. Paul has played the game from day one. No sleeping for him. I did not like it when he was running from one side to the other with information, but that is what he had to do to stay in the game, He never gave up. In my opinion, he deserves to win. Does anyone know how many comps he has won? I would never win the memory comp.

This has been a strange year of BB. I tried and tried to pick one player to really pull for, but it was just not there this year. I think Victor will win the AFP. I am not voting for the first time this year.

Very disappointed in the feeds this year. I can not believe they did not let us watch the HOH competition last night. Never disappointed in BBU. Thanks to everyone, Lexie, Rob, Moderators, Live Feed Updates posters, and all of you. The BB experience would not be the same without BBU.

[Ladycop]

I just want you to remind you that Andy and Steve ran back and forth with (mis)information and both won at the end. I really don't think that James threw this comp, he just never works out and he complained for a while about the ''nerve'' damage that he had in his arm after that five hour comp. I wonder how many will look back at this year and think man if I'd only......

[Luanne]

I know they did, did not like Andy, but liked Steve.

[Lynette]

Good Morning! Glad Paul won Part One, but boy if he doesn't win Part Three, he's a goner. I feel he worked the hardest and deserves to be in F2.......Off to vote for Victor for AFP. Have a great day everyone!

[Raineyc]

Good morning,

I just want to put my two cents in about last night's argument that aired. I know a lot will not agree with what I have to say, but I'm going to say it anyway. I feel like the way Bridget, Day, and Michelle are acting is ridiculous. Yes maybe it was a low blow for Paulie to bring up Day's daughter, but I'm glad he did, maybe she will check her behavior now. She is a mom and it isn't a good example for her to act the way that she acts. This is all being aired on Tv. She needs to set a better example. Her child can see this one day even if not now.
Also, when Day was saying that Paulie caused her to step
out of character, I couldn't believe it. From what I've seen this is her character. She has acted this way in numerous situations. Paulie did not start that argument. They all went on attack after MICHELLE instigated the whole argument, and they all jumped in like a pack of wolves.

Can you imagine being in a romance where you really care about somebody (even if they aren't right for you, but you're caught up in it all) and your family members or friends take every opportunity they get to openly talk about what this person isn't doing right for you and how dumb you are to be with them? You'd be quite embarrassed right? Z has done nothing to them so why would they want to embarrass her openly like that? Why would they think the right thing to do is to shame her on TV? It's heartless. At this point they are doing more damage to her then he is.

Michelle started that fight by making the comment that Paulie didn't take Z. This is becoming very disrespectful to Z's feelings and in my opinion it's cruel. To keep throwing this stuff up is unnecessary. Z is an adult, and she can make her own choices. As friends we can only advise our friends what to do when we see them in situations we don't like, but in the end what they choose is what we have to respect, or at least keep our mouth shut and not say anything at all unless asked, once we have spoken our peace. To cut a friend off because you don't like his or her choice of mate isn't friendship. Day is a bully, Michelle is an instigator, and Bridgette is Self righteous.

I am quite sure these women have made some bad choices in their life before, and imagine if they were treated the way they are treating Z.

I don't like a few of my family members and friends choice of mate, and guess what they didn't always like mine, but they stuck by me and I them, and treated whom eachother choose with respect because of our love and true friendship to one another. I have not seen Paulie go at these woman. Each explosion, they head, they instigate until he reacts.
They need to let this go and let Z find it out for herself that he isn't the right guy for her. The approach they are taking is just wrong.
That's all I'm done! Lol

[JeanK]

Agree 100% that is Da's real character.

[breakingwave]

Couldn't agree with you more. Her opinions should stick to her game. To me in It just looked like attention grabbing in the name of meanness, Da has had trouble with this before and she still is.

[ManaDee]

I disagree, although I don't think either one of them looked good in that fight. It was immature of both of them. I however, don't think anyone has any right to tell someone they should be setting a better example for their kids just because they don't like something they said or what they happen to think of them. Paulie had no right to say that, IMO because to me, using someones kids against them in a petty argument makes YOU the sleaze. Esp when you know nothing about that person's life with said child.

A. He doesn't have kids, he was saying it to be a prick and get under her skin, not because he actually cares about what kind of example Da is setting for her daughter.
B. He has been calling Da petty and classless and a host of other things on the show where her daughter can see it too, not to mention the rest of his misogynistic crap he's been spewing all summer. He is no one to tell someone to act classier.
C. Da made good points about how Pie only speaks like this to the women, which is absolutely true.

As far as the Zak stuff, she shouldn't have been brought into that, and Brig should have just stayed out of it. But I also look at the whole thing. We saw Z when she first went into the jury house. Imagine the talk between her and Da and Brig before Paulie came back (originated in large part by Zak I'm sure - she did the same thing in the house). Then Paulie comes back, she and Paulie publicly battle, and then she switches gears in what - a weeks time? And Da said that as soon as she and Paulie hooked back up it was like she and Brig did not exist to her anymore. Consider it. Just like in the house, Zak goes back with Paulie, and since Paulie has no friends among them, Da and Brig don't want to be around Paulie, and Zak wants to be around Paulie all the time, so they seclude themselves. I think where Zak was concerned, Da was working off of emotions of betrayal, because I honestly believe she loves Zak and feels like she abandoned her for a guy who has been disrespecting her on national TV all season, and has no respect for her friends, either.

I'm not saying any of it was right. I don't fault Da for getting as mad as she did, I just don't like the way she acts when she is mad. But I also despise the way Paulie acts when defensive and goading someone, so they both came out of that looking like crap, to me.

I do feel bad for Zak, but only too a point because I'm finding it hard to have much pity for a girl who could watch Paulie treat Natalie the way he did in front of the entire house, and then crawl into his bed right after and have sex with him. Blech.

[Lynette]

Help me! 😛 I've got a family feud going on with my sister. She wants Nicole....a female to win. I lied and told her I'd want her over James, but not Paul. I have to play nice so she will vote for Victor for AFP. ☺️

[Walleye]

Lol just tell her a female never has won against a male so she should forget about it?😂

[cutencuddly]

lol, Lynette.

[Ladycop]

Lynette, just hang in for one more week and it will be over and perhaps Victor will have AFP and you can relax.

[Walleye]

Glenn for AFP!!!!!

[Millitarymom]

This season finished for me when Paul won the HOH.......he may he playe the bet but I can't stand him personally.......won't make me happy to see any of thee three win......sad season

[Lynette]

BBAD came on live after 1 hr 45 min of repeating shows from last night. Comp had ended and cooking began. Nicole is cutting up chicken and looks down because there were ants crawling on her and the floor was covered with them because there was bacon on the floor. Camera zooms in on them. She screams for Paul to come and spray them and he does. She is bare foot, no one wipes the floor, and it doesn't seem to faze her to be standing in dead ants and bug spray, and continue on cutting up chicken. 😳 Gave me the heebeejeebees.

[Ladycop]

I thought the same thing....I couldn't stand in bare feet in that kitchen. I am one who likes things nice and neat. Heck, once I touch money (coins or bills) I wash my hands before I touch anything that is going in my mouth. I see how drug dealers handle their money. It all goes in the same baggie and so the money has drugs all over it. If you take a drug dog and ask him/her to search he/she will hit on that money every time, no matter how far removed it is from the time it touched those drugs. Yuck.

[JeanK]

I can't believe she had no problem standings in that mess after a shower! Omg!

[JeanK]

Ladycop, omg! I must wash my hands after touching money as soon as I can.

[cutencuddly]

I hope Paul won't let his Nicole crush stop him from taking James to F2.

I'm not just saying that as a Jamesy fan. I know I'm biased, but I am SICK of the mentality that says, "I don't care if I only get $50,000 -- I just want to compete against the best and be loyal and I don't want so-and-so to win."

Cody with Derrick.
Woo with Tony in Survivor.

Good for Steve for not being stoooopid and taking Vanessa last year. Yeah, Liz "won" second but so friggin' what? Steve won the game.


The reason I liked Paulie for the first half of the season was because he didn't look like someone who would repeat his brother's colossal mistake.


If Paul takes Nicole for any reason -- as if half a million doesn't matter to him -- then in future BB needs to make sure that they don't cast well-off people. "I'll risk giving up $450,000 just to compete against he best" ... ptooey.

[cutencuddly]

Paul really is a good liar. And good deflector. He seems so obvious for us on the outside looking in but I can see why he would be effective in person. After Michelle and Natalie did their co-HOH and blew up his game and he was demanding that people back up the accusations they made about him, and they were so dumbfounded and unable to response to his aggressive questioning, I started to think that he was right and they were wrong. And then I said, "Whoa! You're falling for Paul. You watched it all go down from outside the house so you know the reasons for what Nat and Michelle said, and still you're believing Paul could be in the right here."

He's so good.

[Lynette]

Paul will take who he things he can beat. He has zero loyalty to James or Nicole.

[ManaDee]

I honestly believe Paul wants to take Nicole. When he told Nicole that James would have at least 3 votes in jury (Natalie, Michele and Brig) I think he honestly believes that. He thinks that he and Nic each have one guaranteed vote, and that James has 3.

Plus I think he, like all of the guys this season, consider any of the guys to be a better player than any of the girls.

[Raineyc]

Thanks for speaking up guys.

Adeets, I totally agree.

TTOT, I hear you but friendship isn't always doing what I say or I'm going to throw a fit and make you look worse then I think you already do. Friendship is understanding, and love even through my bad choices. If she wanted to protect Z she wouldn't behave this way. She would be an ear waiting when she needed it, she'd be close so when and if she does fall as she suspects, she would be there to protect her. She wouldn't alienate her if she really was concerned about her well being when it comes to Paulie, no instead she'd make sure she didn't do that because she would want her to know she could always rely on her. She would not want her to feel there was no one to come to if and when she does come to the light.

Day seems to be more upset that she can't control Z. Remember how upset Day became when Z and Nicole started getting close to Paulie and Corey? She was not their first anymore and this upset her. Especially when it came to Z. This is a jealous fit that she has been throwing for over a month, and for her to claim she is trying to protect Z is unfathomable. The things that they are doing is only further humiliating Z.

All three of of those girls are just dead wrong.

[Raineyc]

Not sure why that didn't post as a reply to my previous post.....

[TTOTambz]

Yeah Rainey that makes 100% sense to me and I'm in agreement Da seems to want to control her.

In truth 'm reflecting on a past experience which is giving me a biased opinion. I had a girlfriend who used to allow her BF to treat her abysmally to the point of mental (& bordering on physical) abuse. I always had an open door for her and for years was her support system. She would constantly complain when not in his presence but succumbed to him every time. It was a tough position to be in because he convinced her I was the one who was putting things in her head. This because everything she told me (& her other friends) she would transfer to him & pin those thoughts on me. I never denied it b/c I knew telling the truth would only cause her further abuse. I couldn't get her to leave him, couldn't get her to seek therapy it was a never ending cycle and I couldn't push an ultimatum in fear he would really hurt her. Her bf knew most of our bf's so when he went out with them & hit on other girls she would get furious with us for not telling her. It truly was a no win situation.

Eventually she left him ............. but went right into another abusive relationship. The new bf got her to move and cut everyone out of her life. Bottom line it can be really frustrating to be the friend of someone who constantly says they deserve better, but does nothing themselves to ensure they get better. So, while I know you are absolutely right my experience probably makes me more open to being on the other side (does that make sense?).

Anyway.. Back to the game...........Do we think 'OUR' Boy James can shock to win Round 2? If it's climbing a wall & putting the HOH's in order surely James knows he'll need to have that memorized right? And hopefully he could beat Nicole based on his physical ability. I'm not convinced Paul will take Nicole, but he's never liked James so I'm also not convinced he isn't blinded by his dislike.

[KeninVA]

Afternoon all,

James (American Tourister) Huling is rapidly turning himself into luggage, a prize for the ultimate winner to carry into the F2, hoping that the magic ticket with 500K is hidden inside. I don't think James threw it. Paul flat out beat him. Now, can James recall the order of HOH and Evicted HG's? If he can, he might be able to beat Nicole. I like many, am not completely sure what Paul will do, but I will point out, that most of the F2 talk between Paul and James is predominantly originated by James, where as the F2 talk between Paul and Nic is predominantly originated by Paul. And Nic and James don't appear to talk at all.

So, for this ending, the mystery remains. There is some chance James wins Part 2, and unlike many, I believe the Part three answers are almost completely random. Dan in S14, Vanessa last year both had many more conversations with jurors then their Part 3 opponent and both lost the comp. The questions have become to random, and disconnected from the game, to really rely on actually knowing the HG.

So, for now, Part 2 is a toss up, lean Nic, Part 3 is a toss up, lean Paul, and the F2 is still a pretty open question.

[belle1]

American Tourister. Good one! After reading LF's I too don't think James threw that one. So disappointed in his game play or lack of these past weeks.

[ManaDee]

I think Paul definitely wants to take Nicole. He also gives specific reasons to Nicole about why he doesn't want to face James in F2 (his comments that James has 3 votes off the bat - Natalie, Michele and Brig) against either of them is fairly accurate (I'm not sure if Nicole is confident enough to believe she could get Brig and Michele or even Da to vote for her over James, even if it would mean a girl winning)

His talk with James seems to be very vague. So I definitely see him taking Nicole. I think this is a good bet too, as the jury all wants to see James go far, and might vote personal and see his game as more strategic than it really was. Pie gives him credit because he got him out (even though the real credit goes to Natalie and lesser so to Brig and Meech), and the CP, all of which basically forced James into making that move. Corey, even though James evicted him, has been close to James all season. Natalie, Meech, Brig and Da all like and respect James.

I think Nicole will win this competition, regardless of what it is. The final part, I agree, is a total fluke, and the people who usually win that (the ones who know the other houseguests the best) haven't been winning it in recent years. I also give a slight edge to Paul, because his read on the others and their personalities (which we know thanks to Friendship with Paul) has been pretty accurate, and Nicole has mainly just had eyes for Corey.

In a F2 of Paul and Nicole, I think Paul has a slight advantage, if the jurors go the route of awarding gameplay only. He was a newbie and had to learn as he went (not so with Nicole), had a harder road, had to save himself several times, got backstabbed multiple times and recovered. However, the jury hardly ever takes the tone I expect it to, so there's a strong chance the girls may band together to give it to Nicole, or Nicole's gameplay will be marked higher than Pauls, if jurors decide to believe Vic deserves more credit for Paul than he does.

Who knows. I kinda like not knowing who will win. I definitely believe Paul will articulate his argument during round table much better than Nicole.

[cutencuddly]

Interesing, ManaDee ...

[Melisandra]

Question - have they done a "Meet the houseguests" for the online version?
I am already moving on to the next season I hope they are entertaining.

[KennyERJ]

So far they haven't. They're probably going to wait until after next Wednesday when this season ends as they don't want to take any attention away from this season. I'll guess they'll release them next Friday or maybe the Monday after.

[Melisandra]

thanks kenny