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[sdkgeo]

Morning everybody. We'r'e in the home stretch now.

I may have to eat my words, but I think both Nicole and Paul are just trying to make sure the other person doesn't take James. Paul's been the biggest liar in the house, so I am not convinced of anything he says. I'm definitely not convinced Nicole will take Paul. They just have to make each other think that they will take each other

[belle1]

Hoping you speak the truth😃😃

[MrsVee]

I'm thinkin like you Sdgeo , But I'm usually wrong tomorrow we shall see

[Border57]

They won't take each other. Paul immediately started in on how wonderful Nicole was as soon as there was only the three of them in the house. He was trying to secure her taking him if she won.

I don't blame Nicole for the crap she's talking lately WITH PAUL. That's all Paul. That's what he was doing at the beginning of the season with his pals. Keep amping up the mean talk, which is his form of bonding. 'These people are my enemies, so they are your enemies, too.' But I don't think they are taking anyone but James to the end. Either can win against James, but if they take each other, it's up in the air.

About Paul, he may not like James, I don't know, but he doesn't care if James gets second or not. James is going to get at least 30K just for being a returning vet and the 5K he won in a Veto comp. So that makes James' second place prize the equivalent of 20K. Would you rather win 500K for yourself and let James get an extra 20K over what he'd get in Jury, or would you make it harder for yourself to win the 500K and maybe set yourself up for only 50K. No way Paul takes Nicole. And no way Nicole would risk her chance at the big prize by taking James.

Can't wait for this to get over with, though.

[ManaDee]

Paul isn't a BB fan. You have to remember that too. While most fans would probably not take Nicole and not care if James gets a little extra money, Paul isn't thinking that way. Paul is one of the people that are on BB every year, that only want the people who they deem to deserve it to be at the end, regardless of whether that makes his argument to win harder or not.

I absolutely believe Paul takes Nicole. Paul also (possibly rightly) believes that James has 3 for sure votes in jury that he would not have - Natalie, Michele, Brig as well as possibly Da. He knows Nicole doesn't have much of a better relationship with them than he does.

I also disagree that anyone could win against James. We are not the jury. If it was just about gameplay, James doesn't deserve to win over either of them. HOWEVER, the jury loves him, and they could see much more game to his play than we do (protecting Natalie, turning on Pie, etc) even if we know that he didn't actually do much in the way of those things either. The majority of the jury (as it is now) said they wanted to see James go far, and I think that's because they want the option to vote for him.

[Ladychef]

I think it's not right that the second place winner doesn't get $50,000 on top of what that person would normally get for lasting the season. I sure hope Paul does not win - he's not "my boy". 😀

[Luanne]

I think the second place winner should get more also. I wish they would change it to the longer you stayed in the more you received. First one to jury should not receive as much as the 14th person to jury.

[Border57]

I agree. Why can't they make it 100K, for example? Seems like number three should get 5K, too, just as some kind of recognition for having gotten there. Although I suppose the pathos of being number three and getting kicked out the door is part of the game, too. I don't think they do it that way on Survivor, do they? The longer you are there the more money you get, even including jury?

[Luanne]

Watching James trying to ask Nicole who she was taking was painful to watch. He did not try to sell her on taking him, He did not try to tell her that Paul would beat her. He would not make a good salesman. He just does not have it in him to push. I think he is a nice person and does not have it in him to push.

[Yaya1300]

I agree. He wasn't prepared for that conversation with her. Lots of people on this forum think both will take James, but I don't. I think Paul with take Nicole. He even alluded to it during his practice for his F2 speech.

[augie33]

I agree, per Paul's speech he is planning on taking Nicole. I think that Nicole is leaning toward bringing Paul but she is not 100% certain yet. I think she would for sure bring Paul if it wasn't in the back of her mind that Corey told her she should bring James to the final. Both Paul and Nicole thinks that he has a lock on atleast 3 votes (more than either of those two can say about themselves). It is frustrating to watch James. He certainly had the opportunity to tell Nicole why bringing him would be better for her game than bringing Paul but he didn't do it (he should have been doing this all week to both Paul and Nicole). One thing that really bothers me is Nicole keeps saying to James that Corey had his back and James turned on him and voted him out. Why doesn't he tell her she wouldn't be there if he hadn't have voted him out?

[Ladychef]

If Paul takes Nicole that could be a huge mistake! Anyone that brings James is a sure winner! I really like James but he doesn't have much of any gameplay. His strong suit honestly is his likability but that's not enough to get you to the big prize.

[ManaDee]

Totally disagree about James. Jury's do NOT always vote for the person who played the most/best. They will attribute better gameplay to someone who they happen to like a lot better, and they will downplay gameplay that we know was super influential to the game, or attribute it to other people.

If James is in F2 against either of them, I think he gets Natalie, Michele, Brig and Da'Vonne without even trying.

[lyriele2]

I do think Paul means to take Nicole. Whether Nicole would take Paul is another story. I still sticking to 'they will take each other' and hope it actually happens.
You just never know when we'll get jurors who will vote based almost solely on likability, which is why I don't want James in the F2.

[ManaDee]

Agreed. Everyone in that jury wants to see James make it far. They don't want to see him get to the end just so they can give it to Nicole (except maaaaybe Paulie/Corey, but I'm not even sure about that)

[Walleye]

I don't think anyone wins against James for sure. The jury is always highly unpredictable, like any jury is for that matter. It's totally subjective.

[TTOTambz]

Hey all,

My 2 cents on the F2 discussion:

Based on the speeches I'm 95% sure Paul will take Nicole simply out of dislike for James, relying on no female having beat a female & not understanding how juries tend to vote.

As for Nicole based on her practice speech I'm 95% sure she'll take James as she alluded to. She knows she has a better shot against James & won't get Victor's vote against Paul so by back stabbing Paul if she gets the choice she still might get Vic's vote (though Vic did allude to James having a child, I'm not convinced his crush on Nicole won't win out).

Also, I'm in agreement while James has an uphill battle the jury do love him and as I pointed out the other day there are a bunch of things he can reference (though he's not a great communicator). Out of the 3 remaining he was the front man for his showmance/pairing, he was HOH who got out Frank, he protected all of his allies (Nat, NiCorey and Pie until they found out he was aligned everywhere). While Nicole plans on saying it was her maneuverings that kept NiCorey off the block during Nat/Meech's HOH the reality is James convinced Nat who in turn convinced Meech. Finally James can point to not winning comps but only hitting the block once and how he was the one hamster to never turn to the malicious/personal side.

As always much will depend on how Dan G, Dr. Will or Jeff lead the jury round table. If for example Dr. Will is the guy hosting he'll be impressed by James whereas Jeff would be more impressed with Paul/Nic. Suffice to say, even the host of the jury round table will factor.

So, at this stage Paul gets to F2 ONLY if he wins Part 3, ditto for James ONLY if Nicole wins part 3 and Nicole looks to be on lock for a F2 chair. That's not to say TPTB won't start pushing Paul to rethink James as a F2 partner. That said, IMO TPTB have always wanted Nicole in one of those chairs anticipating a lot of jurors attacking her for her back dealing.

As for who'll win Part 3 as we've discovered in the past few seasons it truly is a crap shoot. If we were to bet going into that round each of Dan G, Derrick & Vanessa knew their housemates better than their counterparts having spent more personal time with them so the fact Ian, Coty & Steve won suggests anyone can win that comp.

At this point it's safe to say Paul takes Nicole and she takes James.

And just for fun.................. what the over under on most of the speeches/Q&A being bleeped out for entire segments b/c Paul keeps swearing?

[Lynette]

Dr Will already hosted it. There was an interview with him about it.

[ManaDee]

Just wanted to point out that were James to go to F2 and gives those arguments, you have to remember he is arguing to them not to us. He can't point out that "he was the one hamster to never turn to the malicious/personal side" because he would basically be slapping all of the jurors in the face telling them they did (even Nat). He also will need to watch himself trying to take credit for things that Natalie did (she wanted to put up Paul, James just convinced her that they both would need to go up), as Nat is in the jury (real feelings for James are unknown) and it might just make her defensive and cause her to push back against the notion that he deserves that particular credit. I'm not sure the women in the jury would appreciate that were it to happen, either.

Why do you say that Dr. Will will be impressed by James?! Has he said something like this on twitter or in interviews or something?? Only asking because I would be very surprised by that, given James' lack of real strategy and his "lie down and do nothing" strategty the last few weeks. And if I were Dr. Will, I'd be a little insulted by James saying that he wants to "show America you can win BB without winning any comps" since Dr Will did that the better part of 2 decades ago.

[TTOTambz]

ManaDee the reason I say Dr Will would be impressed (and what I'm implying is he would MORE impressed than say Dan or Jeff) is b/c he won his season without winning a comp. I'm not saying he also won't be impressed by Paul or Nicole. Just that he would be more likely to appreciate James social game as a major strategy.

You make some great points. As per my comment on James saying he didn't do personal attacks there is a way for him to broach that w/o indicating everyone else did (I'm implying he says I didn't but whoever he is sitting beside did). To your point, if Paul says "never cared" in response to how often he talked smack behind backs it will equally remind the jury of how he treated them. Bottom line it's easy to sit out here & opine on how the jury will feel about one or another and hope your horse is viewed better.

I think it's fair we could offer arguments for all 3 to win, to lose, to gain brownie points or to tick off the jury. At the end of the day we still won't know which direction they are leaning until after the jury round table and their faces during the speeches.

[cutencuddly]

From updates:

10:27 AM BBT

James is called to the DR and Nicole comes out. Paul is talking about how weird James was with him. Paul asks Nicole if James really told her that he could beat Paul in final 2? Nicole says James said he could beat both of them.

Talk turns to general bad-mouthing James.

Did James say that? It doesn't seem like something that even Paul would believe James would say. Coz why would anyone say that to the people who have a chance to win that last HOH and choose who goes to F2?

[sofieckcs]

And it doesn't sound like James either. I don't believe it.
I think James is being weird in how quiet he is. When I watch the feeds, he's just sitting there, not saying much.

[TTOTambz]

Nope he told Nicole he would lose to her & he had no clue how the votes would fall between him and Paul. It was a blatant lie by Nic but remember she's trying to keep Paul turned against James so it plays into her strategy for the moment since obviously Paul isn't even asking James these things.

[SmilemakerRDH]

Nicole is having trouble keeping her story straight talking to Paul about what James says to her. She's making stuff up and so far has told him that James said he could beat Paul but not her, then like 10 minutes later said that he said he could beat Nicole to her face but that beating Paul would be iffy, then today she said that he said he could beat both of them. Surely Paul is picking up on this?!?
The more she drank last night the more obnoxious she got, I finally had to turn it off cause I was sick of listening to her and Paul bash James and make up lies.

[cutencuddly]

He _should_ pick up on it. But hormones.

[misscmm]

Nic has said she would HATE it if she lost to James. ... He's done nothin' but chase Nat around and slept all summer doncha knowwwwwzzzzz? (Insert ... just chased Corey around and slept all summer ....) Has she ever said she would hate to lose to brilliant, overly popular, friendship Paul? (Insert sarcasm) I've heard her say that she would probably lose to him but I've not heard her say she would be sad about it because he has been the better opponent. Am I reading into it correctly?

Paul is so over the top telling her what to do, say, when, what, etc. so even when baking the cookies, she quietly kept saying she knew how to do it but he LOUDLY kept taking over. She finally was able to prepare them more correctly. If I was Nic I would be more concerned with everything she tests herself on and Paul snaps and corrects her. He obviously has been doing quite a bit of studying and that should send up a BIG red flag!!

Paul is prone to temper tantrums, being overbearing and a loud mouth who intimidates her, whereas James just gets quieter and doesn't engage with him. At times Paul seems the tender, confidant support system and other times he has no delusions that he will win #3 with such arrogant confidence and lets both J & N they'd better be happy with F2. If I was Nic I would be doing a slow boil. She's handling him quite well but inside I'm wondering what her real thoughts are (beyond she wishes she could find his OFF button) - they are alike as an apple and an orange. Since Paul is his own best audience I've heard a lot of replies of "hmmmm"s and "yeah"s ... What else can you say?

On a side note - we've all mentioned his vulgarity, using the "C" word, BJ's by his employee, the "F" word every other word, comments about his parents (negative) and sister (also negative) ... etc. I do think he is very intelligent and well traveled for his age but underneath that mouth is a pathetic, hateful little boy. Abet - on Wednesday night - more than likely a richer pathetic little boy.

[Luanne]

Even though I think Paul has played a better game, I just do not like him. I remember how much joy he got when he torn Bridgette down. He bragged about breaking her down and making her think Frank was campaigning against her. He was so cruel to her. He called two girls the "C" word. He may win BB this year and probably deserves it, but I do not have to like him.

[lyriele2]

Paul has not been my favorite person in the house either, but I do think he's played a very good game and deserves the win. Sometimes i find him very funny, other times very obnoxious. Still, I've been impressed by his gameplay. Not crazy about Nicole either, but she's also
played a decent game. James has simply not played, at least in my book. Nice guy, but BB is simply not his game.
That said, can we just have a do-over? I want Victor back! lol I feel he deserved the win over anyone this season.

[cutencuddly]

I had some peach brandy and thought I didn't care about who won ... but then I came here and was reminded why I don't like Paul or Nicole ...

need more peach brandy.

[MrsVee]

I do not have any peach brandy but I will follow your lead with a Bud Light ! Ahhhh cheers

[belle1]

I am in with sangria

[TTOTambz]

I'm just watching BBAD now & every time it's just Paul & Nicole on the TV .................I just can't.

Their ego's & lies are so huge it's difficult to watch. Poor James isn't saying half the things they are saying he is and they are continually trashing him while blowing up their own games as being far superior. Like Paul or not he's played the game on a daily basis. But for Nicole to trash talk James for sleeping while she laid in bed behind the shields of Corey and Pie is baffling to me.

Also, Nicole telling Paul that James said he'd beat her & wasn't sure about Paul. It's SO OBVIOUS SHE IS LYING if you still have it on your PVR rewind to 1:45 in telecast. Watch how she looks up & to her right & stops making eye contact with him to continue "her story". Paul seems genuinely confused by her statements. I do think Paul is going to take Nicole b/c he doesn't want James to get money. But I wonder if he loses $450k over his crush if he'll wish he'd been smarter in this process.

NOW............. will Paul figure out something is up & demand Nicole to go to James together & tell him prior to Part 3 they are taking each other regardless. Akin to what Derrick/Coty did with Victoria. If Paul was smart he would do that, but he's so caught up in blindsiding (hurting) James that he probably won't recognize this needs to be done.

AND if she declined to do that then Paul would know she's lying AND maybe change his mind about taking James.

Meanwhile drunken Nicole is saying she'll be pissed if James wins AFP over Corey or Victor. Further says "James isn't WORTHY" WOW ... I bet she'll regret this conversation post BB (and Vic will probably win AFP) but the fact she could trash James so badly when he was far more active than her for 2/3rds of the game whereas she got out of bed for the last 3 weeks. WOW!

[belle1]

I haven't watched the feeds in the past 5 days. Just can't Both Nic and Paul are so far over the cruel top.

[sofieckcs]

Me either, belle1. The lies and meanness are just over the top, too much for me. I can't watch the feeds.

[SmilemakerRDH]

I watched BBAD for about an hour and had to turn it off. The more Nicole lied the worse she got at it. The more she drank the louder and more obnoxious she got. Paul ate it up too...he loves to have someone trash-talk with him. The more they complain about James not deserving AFP, the more votes they are probably getting him.