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[sdkgeo]

Morning all. Well, so much for a lazy Sunday. I can't say I feel sorry for Cliff. It was his own fault for being so gullible. And on a personal note, I am glad because in some ways he's just like Jackson. He wanted to have deals with everyone else, but expected that Nicole would only have a deal with him. It was all about him.

And what was that bs he, Jackson, and Beth (Holly) were spouting about Cliff taking the bullet for Nicole. Uhhhh, Cliff threw the HoH comp as much as Holly did and he was the one pushing to keep the showmance together. As a superfan he should have known that Jackson and Beth were taking each other, but still wanted to keep them together. It's his own fault that those decisions are now biting him in the butt.

Loved, loved, loved Nicole not taking Jackson's bs, putting him in his place and making him talk to her butt when they were at the hammock. Beth just needs to shut up.


Phewwww, I feel better now.

[sdkgeo]

And what happened to Cliff in the veto comp that they can't talk about? Why the sudden concern over his health?

[aprilshowers]

Not sure how accurate but read on CBS chat that he told Nicole heat exhaustion/heat stroke. Can’t imagine him still being in the house if it was a heat stroke.

[Lynette]

I can’t wait to see the comp on Wednesday too. Jackson cheated with the help of Production but I’m sure they won’t show that on the show! Jackson said if he understood the instructions he could have smoked his time. He kept messing up what he was looking for because he didn’t read or hear the instructions and Production kept yelling out the instructions. Nicole maybe could have won having only been behind Jackson by 2 minutes.

[aprilshowers]

I have always wanted to believe that production didn't interfere to the point that it effected the outcome of the game but if they really did help him in that VETO comp then I guess they want to see him in F2. Guess they want to see the showmance in the F2 chairs. Come on Nicole. Mess up that plan.

[M&G2021]

Ok, so I see a lot of people are saying Cliff deserves this and that he is done trying. I believe that Cliff was someone in the house who has fought so much to be considered a contender. He was voted out the first week by Jackson. He was the first back in the house. Then he was voted out. He won camp comeback! All the girls in the house said he was such a sweet man and reminded them of their Dad. He has maybe only one HOH once but he won 2 from being evicted essentially. And the week Nicole won HOH he was obviously handing it to her since he had one piece left and flipped it 20 times while watching Nicole making sure she was going to finish. He has always been close in every mental competition. Cliff might have evicted Tommy last week and "stupidly" kept Holly. But just maybe he was seeing Tommy a threat in a F2. I mean no matter who Tommy was sitting next to in the F2 he would win. Everyone who loves him is sitting in the Jury House! And if Jackson is sitting next to Nicole.. Nicole will win. And Cliff and Nicole had a better chance of winning sitting next to Holly and Jackson than Tommy. Sure Cliff is getting tired. But so is everyone else. Holly has had numerous mental breakdowns. I think people need to truly understand BB before judging Cliff. Maybe it's just because I always root for the underdog but I don't think people should keep calling Nicole and Cliff stupid.

[M&G2021]

Snazzie I think you have read my post incorrectly. I never said Jackson shouldn't win or doesn't deserve to win. I was simply saying there are other ways to look at Cliff and Nicole's moves all season. I might not like Jackson's personality but he has won when he needs to. Now with productions help and blatant disregard to keep him accountable for when he breaks the rules maybe those victories don't mean so much. Jackson has not played a successful social game, unlike Cliff and Nicole who are a lot of peoples friends. I just want everyone to know there are different ways to win this game. Not everyone can destroy it in comps. The social aspect possibly plays a bigger role since the Jury decides who the winner will be.

[Snazzie]

M&G2021 sorry wasn't picking apart your post it was more of a summary of how it tends to go each season. I agree the social sit back and float often takes lessor players farther along than physical mental players that are seen as a threat.

[Summerbbfan]

I believe that Nicole has played a great social game. Always speaking with the person who is about to be evicted. Cliff and Nicole are probably labeled as underdogs because of age and not being pretty. I agree , too, that I don't like it when people start talking about how they deserve to be there over another person. Like Holly was yesterday. Yes she has won a couple of BOB's but her social game has no been that good. If it does happen to be Michi e and Nicole, will people vote social or based on comp wins?

[Snazzie]

Nicole is a hypocrite to be pissed when she brought it all on herself by not honoring the final four. I know it is a game and promises don't mean poop, along with that she needs to accept or resepct anything Jackson or Holly promised to stay final four was game. Her snitty ass self needs to go as far as three and that is it.It was handed to her. Laughing at her for having a tude when in her little convo's with production she loved playing the evil one plotting lies and manipulation to go against her word. Going into final four, Jackson and Holly could of taken the win, but stayed true to the blackmail cliff and Nicole put on them prior. At least the couple stayed true to their promise of final four with the hypocrites.

[aprilshowers]

From what I saw when she talked to Jackson and Holly. She was not mad at them for breaking the deal. I don't think she really expected them to keep it. She was upset that Jackson was going to blindside Cliff at the Veto meeting. He was also going to make it sound like him and Holly were the innocents in all of this and only broke their deal because Cliff/Nicole did it first. She just wasn't happy that he was trying to make it out like him and Holly were pure as the driven snow and Cliff/Nicole were the evil ones. She admitted she was the one contemplating breaking the deal and that Cliff was against it. She said they have all broken deals in the house and none of them were innocent.

I watched the whole convo she and Jackson had when he told her he was taking Holly to F3 and she said she didn't really expect him to do anything different. It was the whole I am so innocent and yall are the devil VETO speech and that he was going to blindside Cliff at the meeting that had her upset.

Jackson is just as much of a hypocrite. He didn't have to make the deal and shake on it know that he was not going to keep it. At least Cliff and Nicole was intending to keep it when they made the original F4. Circumstances changed and they had a different opportunity. Jackson knew he was never going to keep it. They are all hypocrites in this game and that is OK. Just own it.

And there is nothing to say that Jackson/Holly would not have broken the F4 deal if they had been given the opportunity. We shall never know and Jackson and Holly will of course at this point say that would have NEVER have broken their word.

[M&G2021]

Jackson and Holly also tried to make a final four deal with Christie and Tommy just in case they would win HOH. They have been playing both sides of the house the entire time. Jackson said he wanted Christie/Tommy to target Cliff/Nicole and vice versa so Holly and he could float safely to the end... Doesn't really seem like their final four with Cliff and Nicole needed to be honored then. So if we're going to say Nicole is a hypocrite then Jackson and Holly are just as guilty.

[Snazzie]

HI April, I think Jackson did have to shake on it to make certain tommy was voted out and not Holly. At that point in my opinion all bets were off and he and Holly had to do or say whatever Cliff and Nicole needed to hear to get to final four that should of been a given. So IMHO he was no hypocrite for shaking on empty promises. He outwitted the two so called underdogs showing his superior game play.

[Ladychef]

Wow Snazzie tell us how you really feel! 😂😂😂 we all have different opinions and points of view. If we call anyone hypocrites the 4 remaining houseguests at some point this season earned that title. I personally have no use or respect for Jackson. As has been stated earlier production has assisted him by allowing to cheat while a have not, getting him a counselor , and giving him all the watermelon he could eat to keep him happy and calm. If he wins it, so be it but I question if he could have done it without prodictions help.

[Snazzie]

WOW ladychef, We sure do and I expressed mine. Happy it also encouraged a couple others to jump in and participate. Been pretty slow on the forum. I stand by all I said and I guess I see Nicole as the bigger asshole as she plays the underdog card. Poor little thang is such an underdog and all. Sure hope bullying her way into a free HOH and final pumps up her self esteem some. LOL Those in shape pretty people sure don't deserve to win right? HA HA HA

[Summerbbfan]

I do not see Nicole as playing the underdog card. I believe that they were labeled that way do to not being in the big alliance. To me she has been playing her own game, and to me it seems alone for most of the season. How did she bully Michi e and Holly into given her that HOH?

[Starshine]

😂 😜 Good one Ladychef !! ☂️

[Barbso]

If the final 2 ends up to be Nicole and Jackson, I'm certainly not thrilled but I'll watch it til the end. Holly in the final 2 would be insane....but then again, there have been others in the end with one a strong player and the other just going along for the ride and doing what she's told. This season has been the worst in my opinion....and I've watched since day one. Maybe others thought the game play was good. I couldn't take the actual humans in the house. Tried liking them so I could cheer for at least one and I guess that's Nicole. But whatever floats your boat!

[Lynette]

It will never be Nicole vs Jackson. Nicole said she will take Holly. Jackson will take Holly. Holly I am assuming she will take Jackson and I think she has a better chance winning against Jackson than Nicole. I’m not giving up hope that Nicole will win final HOH and be in the F2 and win against Holly. No matter what Holly will be getting at least $50,000.

[Summerbbfan]

Does anyone hope that Jackson opens his eyes and realized that he has a better chance of winning the first part of any part going up against Cliff rather than Holly? To me Holly has not done that much. She is definitely playing for second place.

[Jankinonya]

My only hope now is that Nicole wins out in the final 3 and chooses to take Holly. I'd rather see Holly get 50k than see Jackson (one of the most unlikeable players of all time) anywhere near the "confetti". He is a pompous ass and isn't that great of a player. Sure he can win comps but that isn't what makes a great player. He's no Derrick, Dan, or Ian. Heck, I liked Evil Dick 1000% more than Jackasson. At least Evil Dick acknowledged who he was and didn't try to convince everyone that they owed him unwarranted respect or allegiance. Jackass ratted out Holly and Kat when they were part of his alliance which then broke up said alliance. He then proceeded to pout and whine for days like he was the victim. He slept with both of them knowing they were being filmed. Then trash-talked Kat and treated her very poorly. As a Southerner, I take offense to him being called a Southern gentleman. He has bullied, when there was no need, he has said mean and ugly things about people in the house when there was no reason or gains in the game for it. He is such a weasel and unbelievably un-self-aware. I think all of us have known a "Jackson" before. A spoiled rotten man child who is such a Momma's boy he thinks all women are put on this earth to serve him as she does. So completely narcissistic that he buys into his own false narrative of how great he is and how everyone else is beneath him intellectually. If I was his Momma I would be ashamed. The way he treats women and talks down to others is not gameplay. It's bad character.

If he makes it to final 2 I won't watch and I will give as many votes as I can to help Nicole get AFP.

[Lynette]

So well said 😊 ...completely agree.

[Barbso]

This is fabulous....you articulated so well how I feel about Jackson. He doesn’t “deserve” the win. It’s just been such a disappointing season all around. It had no lightness...fun...or true enjoyment I actually think I was more anxious watching these people than in any other seasons. Jackson is in a category by himself...he doesn’t seem to feel real empathy. He’s pretty good at fake emotions. But then again.....3 months of only thinking about winning a half million dollars and doing what ever it takes can bring out the worst in anyone. Nah! Forget that...he’s just not a nice guy.

[SlowPoke]

I think maybe a lot of us are feeling let down. We are used to the usual double crossing and let downs that go on in the BB world but this season it has been hard to find any one to really like. Then a lot of us were Cliff fans and now we are feeling a bit like he kind of let us down too. He wasn't quite as upright as we thought he was at the beginning of the game. But I guess he did the best he could, in trying to get himself to the end,; yes, he made mistakes and now it looks like he is going to pay the price. Sad for all of us who were rooting for Cliff and Nicole to make it to the end. I wasn't a big Nicole fan but can see where she sure is superior to most of the other players. There are things about her that annoyed me, but compared to the others, they probably are kind of minor.

[Lynette]

I was thinking back on Cliff’s journey this morning. The Cliff letdown started not following through with the Jack and Jackson noms. Christie even got to keep her power during that fiasco. Cliff cooked his own goose.

[Summerbbfan]

Why is Holly constantly talking negatively about Nicole. I guess that I just like Nicole's personality. She is so corky.

[Diane40]

Because she’s a Mean Girl.

[Lynette]

It was sickening.....it is her jealously of Nicole getting Jackson’s attention.

[SmilemakerRDH]

She's done it most of the season but it's gotten way worse since Jackson started paying attention to her. Holly is a mean girl with self esteem problems so she tears down every girl around her cause she thinks it makes her look better, especially to guys. She has bad-mouthed every girl in that house incessantly.

[Lynette]

HG’s were told last night that the Veto Meeting is going to be Live on Thursday’s show.

[cpamama]

I have pretty much quit reading about the house after hearing that Cliff is out Thursday. Just checked though. Seems that the Pompous Douchebag is still there.

[Border57]

Yes, me, too.

[Barbso]

Me too..I stopped watching live feeds and bbad and fast forward live shows. Sad that Jackson has ruined my BB

[Border57]

Although I'm disappointed with the way things are going, Lexie, I just sent you a small donation. Can't blame the messenger!

[davehead21]

Wow Snazzie tell us how you really feel! 😂😂😂 we all have different opinions and points of view. If we call anyone hypocrites the 4 remaining houseguests at some point this season earned that title. I personally have no use or respect for Jackson. As has been stated earlier production has assisted him by allowing to cheat while a have not, getting him a counselor , and giving him all the watermelon he could eat to keep him happy and calm. If he wins it, so be it but I question if he could have done it without prodictions help.

Hi Ladychef and everyone else!! Never been a big poster, posted more on the old boards, but feel like I know a lot of you after reading you for years and years.

This summer has been my least favorite of BB. Like some of you, I've mainly only been watching the CBS shows, not watching the feeds, or reading the boards much. I feel a little more sucked in these past couple of weeks but I've obviously missed some things. Did Jackson SERIOUSLY get a counselor?!?! When was this? I did read an article a while back stating that Jackson's mom was considering hiring an attorney for how he was being portrayed on the show. Do any of you know if this is true?

[aprilshowers]

I am thinking this is why there hasn't been have nots this summer. I think there was only two weeks. Since Jackson couldn't be a have not then it wasn't fair that the others had to do it.

[davehead21]

Thank you, ladies, for the info!! I had no idea that Jackson suffered with an eating disorder. That's interesting. I did happen to read that he had eaten while being a HN but didn't know he went so far as to hide food. Wow!! I had wondered why the HN stopped and now I know...lol. I wonder what was going in his life before he came into the house that was so bad. I kind of say this tongue in cheek but at this point in the season, WHO would still enjoy being in that pressure cooker?! Most people are beyond ready to leave so I really wonder what was going on with him. I am feeling a bit sorry for him now. Just a bit...lol. He obviously has some major issues and I hope he gets the help he needs when he gets out. However, he strikes me as the type who is unable to see the issues with his own behavior and always places blame externally. Obviously I only saw what they showed on CBS with the fight between him and Holly but that was ridiculous...he acted like such a child. I'm no fan of Holly but I hope she gets farrrrrrrrr away from him once they're out!! Over the years, we've had a slew of unlikable houseguests but he ranks near the top for me.

[SmilemakerRDH]

I personally think he's full of it. He volunteered to be a HN. If he truly had an eating disorder he would not have volunteered to do it. He was eating everything in site prior to that week. He just didn't want to do it and that was his excuse once he got caught. He always has a reason for his bad behaviors, and it's always somebody or something else's fault. He never takes responsibility for any of his actions. From what I read he was a big illegal steroid user and wasn't allowed those in the house nor his Xanax that he didn't have a prescription for hence his erratic behavior the first few weeks.

[aprilshowers]

So my inquiring mind wants to know why all the other house guests want to take a shower in the HOH room. They all know , and Jackson certainly doesn't keep it a secret, what goes on in that shower daily. I would rather take my chances in the downstairs bathroom. And if I were HOH I would tell them. they aint going on in my shower. Take it somewhere else.

[SmilemakerRDH]

Agreed. Especially if I was Nicole this week. I wouldn't let them in my room period with how they have been acting