Time for a little game. I'm finally able to say that Vanessa is one of the best players ever -- without even gritting my teeth.
So now, who do you think is better than Vanessa? And why?
Who might be in contention but you don't put them higher than Vanessa after all? And why?
So far in my "better than Vanessa" column I have: Danielle Reyes, Dr. Will, Derrick.
I can't say why on Danielle Reyes or Dr. Will -- I didn't see their first seasons -- I'm just going by what I've heard about how they pioneered the game and other general things which others have said.
I put Derrick better because I think his strengths were roughly comparable with Vanessa's, but he had fewer weaknesses. If Vanessa and Derrick had played together, she would have shown many vulnerabilities which he could have exploited, but he wouldn't given her much if anything to exploit.
I'll put Dan and Andy as possibly better because they were better listeners. Their games had more finesse.
Mike Boogie is not as good as Vanessa because he needed Dr. Will and two tries in order to be in position to win the game.
And I put Vanessa above Rachel. Amazon warrior and intelligent woman that Rachel was, she still needed two tries and a big boost from production in order to win. Without that duo twist Pandora's box, I'm thinking no Rachel win.
And I put Vanessa over Ian. Ian was smart enough and if he had the kind of training Vanessa has had he would have been great, but he didn't have that good of handle on what was happening in the house.
Someone toss some more names out there. As noted I'm not very familiar with early seasons. The first season I watched in real time was where Hayden Moss won. Later I went back and watched a couple of earlier seasons: All-Stars and Dan's first season.
Edit: Oh yeah, Evel Dick. I did go back and watch his season but I can't remember how he was able to get as far as he did ... so I can't even try to rate him, but I'm gonna guess that others would rate him lower than Vanessa on game play if not on style.
So now, who do you think is better than Vanessa? And why?
Who might be in contention but you don't put them higher than Vanessa after all? And why?
So far in my "better than Vanessa" column I have: Danielle Reyes, Dr. Will, Derrick.
I can't say why on Danielle Reyes or Dr. Will -- I didn't see their first seasons -- I'm just going by what I've heard about how they pioneered the game and other general things which others have said.
I put Derrick better because I think his strengths were roughly comparable with Vanessa's, but he had fewer weaknesses. If Vanessa and Derrick had played together, she would have shown many vulnerabilities which he could have exploited, but he wouldn't given her much if anything to exploit.
I'll put Dan and Andy as possibly better because they were better listeners. Their games had more finesse.
Mike Boogie is not as good as Vanessa because he needed Dr. Will and two tries in order to be in position to win the game.
And I put Vanessa above Rachel. Amazon warrior and intelligent woman that Rachel was, she still needed two tries and a big boost from production in order to win. Without that duo twist Pandora's box, I'm thinking no Rachel win.
And I put Vanessa over Ian. Ian was smart enough and if he had the kind of training Vanessa has had he would have been great, but he didn't have that good of handle on what was happening in the house.
Someone toss some more names out there. As noted I'm not very familiar with early seasons. The first season I watched in real time was where Hayden Moss won. Later I went back and watched a couple of earlier seasons: All-Stars and Dan's first season.
Edit: Oh yeah, Evel Dick. I did go back and watch his season but I can't remember how he was able to get as far as he did ... so I can't even try to rate him, but I'm gonna guess that others would rate him lower than Vanessa on game play if not on style.
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