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[KeninVA]

Morning geo, and all who follow,

Vanessa gains power via the HoH, makes plans to shore her position up in the house, and Audrey is one step closer to the block.

Vanessa winning PoV, gives her safety and a tool to build herself a cushion on the other side of the house. She is safe from Austin, Liz, Clay, Shelli and Steve, and wants to use the PoV to get safety from Jason, Meg, James and Jackie. Jackie safety will come in the deal with Jason, Meg and James, by asking for safety for Jackie, Liz and herself. This will insulate her from everyone but Jmac and Becky. Vanessa is preparing for Silent Six to be broken up next week, and positioning herself behind Austin, Shelli, Clay and Liz as better boots then herself.

Jason, in talking to Shelli, told her and clay exactly what they want, Audrey first, and then Austin as the target behind her. This gives added incentive to boot Audrey now, to free up the hope that Jason/James/Meg end up as HoH and take Austin out for them.

Most of the game action will be Vanessa cutting her deals with Jackie, Jason, Meg and James. Audrey will likely start to realize something is up, but the big explosion won't likely come until tomorrow post PoV ceremony.

[KeninVA]

Jason and Meg will. Jason told Meg, if Audrey goes up, expect all the secret alliances to be outed. Jason will be paying attention.

[Livzee]

He may have trouble figuring out fable from fact but I am wanting him to step into a leading role.

[~BBPam]

Ken, thank you as always, for your daily insights, do you have any favorites this year, that you are 'a little bit' rooting for? You never give it away until late in the season. this season is so "outspoken self-preservationist" 'ish. I thought, with so many scholars of the game, that we would have so many intelligent game-players, that it would be mesmerizing. I have been absent, so I am not a good judge, if some of this is going on, but man alive, give us some really clever play! I think that's why I like Derrick from the get-go. P

[sdkgeo]

LOL, Steve and Jason don't know where Duke University is located. They know it's a good school and they are always in the NCAA tourney, but not where it's located (other than it's not in Miami).

[glk1943]

It is in North Carolina.

[kokomogirl]

Durham, North Carolina. Lived just down the road from Duke for 30 years.

[psucolleen]

It doesn't suprise me. If you're not anywhere near it, you'd likely not know where it is. I know but that's because I'm an east-coaster. The colleges & universities that don't include a city or state in their name aren't as easily identifieable. Notre Dame is another one that a lot of people don't know the location of.

[Luanne]

Good morning all- Ken, I am a little confused. You think Vanessa will ask Jason, Meg and James to keep her, Liz and JACKIE safe. I do not see this but of course I have not watched a lot of the feeds. You also think she is ready to let Austin go. I am ready for Audrey to go but I think this will hurt everyone in the Silent Six. They have not handled this very well at all. Fight to keep her safe two weeks in a row and then let her go so easy.

[KeninVA]

She wants to build a relationship with Jackie. So, get Jackie to make her safe next week, for including her in the Jason, meg and James deal. Would Jackie agree to it? I don't know, but it is a move I have not seen made before. The sticking point will be Liz, since Jason told Meg that he would nom Austin, Liz and Steve. Vanessa wants Liz safe next week, to get Julia into the game officially.

[Luanne]

Thanks, did Vanessa say she wants to keep Jackie safe? This just seems strange to me. I think Jason will say whatever he needs to say and will do the opposite when he is HOH.

[joahnn00]

What would Steve's reason be for wanting Meg out, she seems harmless.

[sdkgeo]

I'm not sure joahnn, I didn't hear why. Maybe he thinks she is out to get him or he wants her out because of her social game.

[nonobadfish]

I didn't hear it either, but I wonder if Steve wants an alliance with Jason? If so, then he might want Meg out of the way.
I have no real reason for saying that except that when Steve was doing his talk in the storage room after BoB, he wanted to play for PoV, win, and save Jason. I was surprised that he didn't want to save John. (But that might have been because he wanted to get rid of Audrey and Audrey/John on the block is a sure Audrey out while Jason/Audrey may not have been. So I could be guessing totally wrong here, which I often do).

[joahnn00]

He was talking to feedsters early this morning wanting Shelli to put Meg up and not Audrey, because he wants to win hoh next week and be the one to get Audrey out. Making it his big game move. But to want Meg out is a weird suggestion by him.

[Kpercyman]

I can see Jason building traction in the game due to this move. He is gaining the most and with this so-called deal will come out with a stronger alliance. I don't believe it is really a deal since the majority of people know about it except Audrey. I don't believe Audrey will be blindsided. I really want Shelli to pull a fast one and put Austin on the block, however, that will not happen.

[nonobadfish]

Morning, everyone. Luanne, this is how the Jackie deal started with Vanessa. Vanessa was in the bedroom with Jason soon after the Veto comp, and James walked in saying that Jackie was still mad and was going after whoever nominated her this week (Liz). Vanessa had figured out that she was safe with everyone else (no blood on her hands, she thinks), but she got worried that somehow Jackie thought Vanessa was part of getting her on the block.

Vanessa then went upstairs to talk to Shelli and Clay about using the veto for Jason, and she went down her list of all the deals she could make with the PoV power. Then she said, "The only danger I have is Jackie because James said she's mad and I think she thinks that I'm involved with her nomination." So Vanessa started asking Clay/Shelli for ideas on what she could use to make a deal with Jackie. Clay told her that you can't make a deal with everyone and that she should just be honest with Jackie and explain that she had nothing to do with her nomination. But that wasn't good enough for Vanessa....so now she's dreamed up this "ask Jason to keep Jackie safe" deal.

I think she's WAY overthinking this (and over-fretting it), but that's our Vanessa.

[KeninVA]

It thought it was a novel approach. At the least, it shifts the target to Austin and Steve, and maybe it buys liz a week, which is what Vanessa wants. Then there are two strong couples with Jury ready to start, and that will coalesce the house on focusing on them. And, it puts distance between her and Austin, which is what she wants. Austin betrayed her, and now she done with him. He just doesn't know it yet.

[nonobadfish]

I agree that most of it is new and interesting thinking, Ken. But I think the part about Jackie is carrying it at least one step too far. It's hard enough to get them to buy into keeping multiple people safe. If she asks for safety for herself, she might get a buy-in. If she asks for safety for two people, she might get a buy-in. But she's trying to cover so many people for safety that she's risking the possibility that all she gets is an empty promise. She's leaving Jason/Meg no one at all to target. Once they think that through, I think it puts a bigger target on her back than she needs.

Seems like (just to me) that she'd be smarter to narrow her focus. Get safety for herself. That makes perfect game sense, and it's something that I think is logical to ask for and receive. Then on the off chance that Jackie is one of the HoHs, count on her alliance (and her new friends Jason and Meg) to keep her safe even if she's on the block. (I think Vanessa enjoys the adrenaline, so she doesn't always take the safest, smartest path.)

[psucolleen]

That entire conversation that you recapped so beautifully had me shaking my head. They over-think & over-talk EV. E. RY. THING. I felt like screaming that the tv. But as my son continues to try to convince me, "they can't hear you, Mom". pffft. What does he know? That's why he's going to college.

[nonobadfish]

More information for my post about Vanessa's sudden interest/fear of Jackie: I didn't think that James insinuated that Jackie was angry at Vanessa (Jackie may be, but James didn't insinuate that.) All James said was that Jackie was angry because she was told she was going up as a pawn and now she's hearing that maybe she was the target, so Jackie was going to get revenge for whoever was behind her nomination.

Vanessa immediately panicked and said, "I didn't have anything to do with that" which I thought was odd because James didn't say she did. Then Vanessa wouldn't let it go....took that bone and talked and talked then carried the bone upstairs to Shelli and Clay. Sounds like she still has the bone. Vanessa is in a good place in the game, but there is no way she can be safe til jury with EVERY SINGLE HG. But that's her goal, and she's giving it a whole-hearted try.

The thing about Vanessa? Her ADD meds affect the frantic behavior. I think she's worse when they first go into effect (or maybe she's worse when they're almost out of her system), but they definitely make a difference. I know she takes them at least two times a day, maybe more.

[psucolleen]

I think you could be an official BB Color Commentator. CBS needs to hire you. I bet they'd let you wear tiara, too!

[KeninVA]

Watch Becky and Jmac win HoH next week.

[herms is here]

That would be great. Who would the target?

[Walleye]

Nono! Me thinks you have a little evil genius inside you. 😈

[psucolleen]

Ah!! That would be beautiful. And I like nono's scripted scene as well!

[PumpkinPie]

Is it Monday afternoon yet? I'm on the mo-drama-mama train.

[kokomogirl]

Just finished reading and catching up on all the house happenings from last night. This could be a dream come true if they really do backdoor Audrey. I think it sounds like it's a done deal which makes me a little apprehensive that it will actually get done. Up to now, there has been so much confusion and dissension between the multiple alliances that I have been in a dizzy tizzy. This is the first time I have felt like there was some real gameplay going on. But, I also think, they need to do a good job of pampering Audrey till the veto ceremony and renom is complete or she will become suspicious, wondering why no one is wanting to talk with her. No need to get the drama started until her hind quarters are sitting in that chair. Too much drama could leave Shelli doubting her moves. I think this week will get the numbers down enough that we will see some definite lines drawn in the sand. So, for now, I am looking forward to a drama filled beginning of the week and a farewell to Audrey later.

On another note, I really dislike Austin. I don't know what it is about him that I don't like but he just gives me the heebie jeebies - like waking up from a nightmare where a demented, hairy monster is chasing me, gnashing its pointy fangs at my heels, stalking me at every corner.

On the other hand, I am really liking Johnny Mac and Jason. I want to like Steve but he's having a difficult time socially so it's hard to know where he's at or what he's thinking. Who's Becky? I don't know why she seems so invisible. Clay and Shelly - they're okay but nothing to get excited about and I hope someone breaks the duo up soon. Jackie, James, Vanessa, Liz, Julia - meh, not much excitement there. If I forgot someone, well guess that means he/she is just not that memorable to me.

[BettyBoo]

To me, watching this HG crew is like watching a modern action movie like The Avengers. I have no clue WHY they're doing what they're doing, but I'm still mesmerized by all the action.

[herms is here]

Kokomogirl I agree with you. They should treat Audrey like normal. I am still afraid that it is not a done deal. Meh seems harmless to me.she reminds me of Nicole and I am waiting for her to be the person that has to where a costume. She will wear it well.

[BettyBoo]

I just don't trust TPTB not to interfere w/Audrey leaving either thru DR manipulation or starting an early sequester. Until I see the stake thru her heart and the decapitation of her Medusa head, I won't really believe she's out if the game.

[Myragirl]

I'm with you. Until POV is used, and Audrey is OTB, I won't even believe she's the target. Even though I am saying a prayer to the BB gods to let it be so.

[Myragirl]

I don't see any sense in Vanessa saving Jason. I think she should save Johnny. She kinda had a deal with him to keep him safe until jury last week when she put him OTB and told him to throw the comp. Saving him again solidifies her as loyal to him, and might be the beginning of an alliance worth rooting for (I liked Vanessa and Steve together, but I'm unsure of it being real). Johnny already showed loyalty by voting to keep Jeff even with others pressuring him last week. If she saves Jason, she's going to end up spreading herself too thin a la Shelli and Clay. I like both Jason and Johnny and really hope neither of them is going home.

[psucolleen]

While I agree that John should be taken off, it actually serves Vanessa's game better. Additionally, they (not us) are nervous that Audrey's departure is more of a sure thing with her against John than it would be against Jason. They don't think anyone will vote out John, let alone Audrey beat him. But in their minds, something COULD happen and people turn and vote out Jason and they'll be left dealing with Audrey.