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  • Live Feed Discussion-July 29

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  • #2
    Morning all. Has Shelli gotten paranoid about Vanessa yet?

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    • KeninVA
      KeninVA commented
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      Not yet, but Shlay are already looking at Jmac/Becky as targets after Jason and then Jackie get put out (their perfect world scenario.)

  • #3
    Morning geo, and all who follow,

    The campaign to save Jason starts today.

    Key elements: Throw James under the bus, if required to build credibility that Jason will never turn on Shelli/Clay.

    Get Meg to ramp up Shelli paranoia about Becky.

    Use the early lockdown to build suspicion that the HoH will be endurance, and Shelli/Clay need Jason to win to protect them.

    Follow with Jackie promising undying fealty to Shelli/Clay.

    This plan has all sorts of potential, given Shelli is fickle, and paranoid and plays with Vanessa who is paranoid, and indecisive. The saving grace may end up being Clay, who understands, we set this up, we need to decapitate ADC, and then get Jackie out. I don't think Shelli will cross Vanessa on a vote this early in the game, and I am sure that Vanessa understands the importance of the Jason boot, so I don't think this will work, but I admit, the flaw in my analysis from yesterday, is that it assumes the players are rational, and I am not sure anyone but John actually fits in that category in this house.

    The downside risk is that Meg will have totally alienated James by trashing him to Shlay, which will also demonstrate why Shelli wanted to flip, they have no loyalty to each other.

    Jackie will make an enemy of Becky, shifting her target off James, onto Jackie, and prove that her word does not mean anything, making Vanessa/Shelli/Clay look like upstanding citizens, while anything she would promise anyone else means nothing.

    James is likely to come off looking the best, because I get the feeling he will not flip the vote.

    The feeds should be fun, right now, and late tonight into the early morning hours.

    Short notes: The paranoia of the ruling elite in the house is strong this year, much as in S11, after Jeff took power in the Coup D'Etat. That is a prime environment for major irrational play, which is unpredictable, and can't really be controlled from a game theory perspective. Which is a long way of saying MoDramaMama's gonna be happy.


    Last edited by KeninVA; 07-29-2015, 06:44 AM.

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    • KeninVA
      KeninVA commented
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      Additional notes:

      1. Shelli/Clay are getting worried about Jmac, which is why the turn to boot Becky is possible.

      2. Becky, in deflecting the whole house is against you speech from Vanessa, tells Jackie: Vanessa is a game player that likes to make big moves, but hates the human cost since she is a nice person, and doesn't like hurting people. That may explain a lot of Vanessa's behavior in terms of indecisiveness, and her endless witch hunts to create "reasons". Since Vanessa does not demonize her targets, she has to manufacture a game rationale to justify doing bad things to someone.

    • Patycake
      Patycake commented
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      Ken, yesterday Shelli, in conversation with Vanessa, said she talked game with Becky which was good, but then didn't like what she heard as the conversation progressed. I thought Shelli wanted Jackie gone next week and Vanessa said no it has to be Becky. Don't know if the armor is starting to give, but it could be an interesting day.

  • #4
    So, with Shelli and Vanessa, which one is April and which one is Keesha?

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    • ~smee~
      ~smee~ commented
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      OK, I admit my memory is short. Was there more than one April -- like you are not referring to the April from April & Ollie are you? (I get the Keesha reference, so I think there must be a different April I do not remember).

    • KeninVA
      KeninVA commented
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      Keesha and April were rivals in S10, yes April of April and Ollie. Google Keesha's birthday big brother, BEST BIRTHDAY EVER>

    • ~smee~
      ~smee~ commented
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      I'm at work so can't go google that now -- but believe me, I will tonight. Thanks, KeninVA.

  • #5
    So, Ken, What is your take on this Meg conversation with Shelli and Clay. Do you think it's having any impact. I guess we'll have to wait until Clay and Shelli are alone to find out.

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    • nonobadfish
      nonobadfish commented
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      geo, I'm not Ken (but you already knew that), but I think the key to Shelli is her paranoia about having blood on her hands or losing Clay. So Meg did a good job of pointing out that Shelli/Clay are taking the heat for Jason and Vanessa is not. What needs to happen next is for Jason to make Shelli more paranoid about Becky.

      I don't think it will work, but it will make next week more fun.

    • KeninVA
      KeninVA commented
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      I am at work and don't have the feeds. A quick walk around the 'net' seems the consensus is Clay killed this. Which is what I though would happen. But it is early hours yet. They have Jackie pitching love and devotion, and Jason, with protection and loyalty and forgiveness. Plus, they are going to lie about Becky targeting them. It is early hours yet.

  • #6
    What time was the meg conversation with Shelli and Clay?

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    • KeninVA
      KeninVA commented
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      It hasn't happened yet. The plan outlined above was from Jason/Meg plotting. And Meg/Jason/Jackie talking.

    • sdkgeo
      sdkgeo commented
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      It started a few minutes before I posted that, so maybe 4:50 bbt

    • herms is here
      herms is here commented
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      Thanks sdkgeo.

  • #7
    Good morning all, I had a lot of reading to do this morning. Thanks to everyone for keeping me up to date. I am just about out of data for the month so not sure if I want to watch feeds today or wait till after HOH. I may just have to go over and pay that big fee.

    A lot of good thoughts posted. I agree with so many. I like Jason and wanted him to get to jury but not at Steve's expense. I like Steve much better. Jason knows this game and should have been a better player. I think going into the house, they all know how they want to play the game, but their individual personalities come into play. Not being mean, Jason complains about his life outside the house and inside the house. However, he does very little to really change anything. He should have held the twin information and used it like Vanessa did. He likes to joke around and be everyone's friend. I think that is one of the reason he is still at home and not happy in his job. He is smart, should go to school, or try to move up in the grocery business. Steve knows his faults and continues to try to work on them. Jason has stated he has had some rough times but so has Steve. In this game, he has had people be rude to his face and has heard them talking about him. A lot of water off the shoulders as Steve stated. Steve has worked hard to stay in the game. He is still on a lot of radars but he has not given up.

    Shelli is fun to watch. Several have stated in the past that they feel like she is fake. Someone even talked about her mean side. I am starting to see that. She wanted to save Austin, may not have wanted Jason as the re-nom but she was ok with it. Vanessa even told her that it would be drawing the line in the sand and was she sure she wanted to do that. I really think Vanessa would have kept Austin on the block and was torn about the decision. Shelli thought all the blame would fall on Vanessa and she would still be the Queen. Once Vanessa heard that Clay/Shelli was acting like they had no idea this was going to happen, she had to share the blame. Shelli is not happy since she is no longer the most loved in the house. Gone is that laugh, the compliments, and the fake smiles. It would not surprise me if she decided to switch and Clay will follow.

    Today should be a good day to watch the action.

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    • #8
      After listening to the Meg/Clay/Shelli conversation (It was at around 4:00 am BBT, herms is here), I think saving Jason is still only a remote possibility. Clay/Shelli know that they have burned Jason and I don't think they will ever believe he could trust them again. BUT I love hearing the doubt about Vanessa in Clay and Shelli. Even if Jason goes home, I will enjoy it more if Vanessa/Clay/Shelli come out of this with distrust.

      ETA: I didn't realize how much Clay doesn't trust James. Interesting. I think James would be the easiest for Shelli/Clay to swing to them. That seems like a bad read on Clay's part.
      Last edited by nonobadfish; 07-29-2015, 07:31 AM.

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      • #9
        As for the 6:00 am BBT lockin...that's early, and I hope it means an endurance that is made for small feet (Jackie and James, I'm looking at you.) They did not do an endurance last year while BoB was still going on, so most of the BB experts think they won't do one this year while BoB is going on (the take-down of endurance comps is longer, and they have to set up BoB.)

        But I actually don't know why they couldn't pull off an endurance comp AND Bob. They would just have to have a less elaborate BoB set. They used to have Have Not comps after Endurance comps so I know it's possible.

        (Due to Julia coming in, the number of HGs keeps them from pairing up for an HoH this week, same as last week. So I can't think of why TPTB would want to do an endurance this week. But you never know! Here's hoping.)
        Last edited by nonobadfish; 07-29-2015, 07:47 AM.

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        • KeninVA
          KeninVA commented
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          I think it is to give Jason time to build paranoia, and see if he can pull off the "I will protect you" gambit. Jason does not know that Vanessa and Clay specifically talked about getting Jason out, before that kind of comp. This will work against him, but he doesn't know it.

        • nonobadfish
          nonobadfish commented
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          So you think production is trying to help Jason? I don't know, Ken...I guess maybe. But applying Occam's Razor, I'm thinking that it's a comp that takes longer to set-up. But who knows...you could be right.

        • Patycake
          Patycake commented
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          I agree nono, the endurance comps don't ever last all night like they used to in the early years. If endurance lasts 4 hours it's a long one lately. We need endurance

      • #10
        Jason, be careful what you wish for. You wanted strong women in the house. Well you got a couple who are tossing your butt out early.

        I see him as 'king' of the mean girls at home just as he is in the house. He can talk smack (like Becky is thick and Steve is a freak) and it makes him feel like he is more than the scrawny pimply gay boy who was picked on. By making others look small, he feels bigger. So as much as I enjoy his comments and have seen he understands so much, he spent too much time holding court, falling back to his lifestyle of talk rather than actions. By doing nothing he became the captain if his fate.

        The show will be duller without his wit & wisdom.

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        • Livzee
          Livzee commented
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          I really wanted more from him too... he is so likable. (wow. not sure how to spell that word!)

      • #11
        As a PS if Jason could pull off the ole switch-a-roo and stay, I'll be happy. I think Becky is a nice person, but she has no entertainment factor and is making very poor game decisions. Although, I doubt Jason could lead a successful revolt against the Borg, it would be more fun to keep him in the house than Becky.

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        • #12
          Random thoughts: 1) I like Jason, and get that he is hurting -- but I was still offended when he called Becky ''..this big thick girl...''.
          2) Ever had that feeling that you are surrounded by a lot of people, but you are all alone? Poor Steve must be so lonely. He's playing a horrible game, but I still just want to give him a big hug.
          3) Those of you who really understand this game say the Vanessa is playing great, so I believe you. But her manic talk, talk, talking is driving me nuts. So much energy wasted beating that dead horse...
          4) I don't see Shelli's tactics displaying her as a mean girl -- just an extremely focused, egocentric one. That's what it takes to win this game. Don't know if I like her or not, just think she is looking out for herself first, as she should be.
          5) Somebody tell me, why does Becky bug me so much? What has she done to annoy me every time I see, hear, or read about her?

          And good morning, sdkgeo , KeninVA, nonobadfish, Luanne, @ BettyBoo and all who follow. I love reading your posts each morning (and throughout the day and night).

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          • Walleye
            Walleye commented
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            I was watching the feeds. I'm pretty sure he said big fit girl. Becky had just talked about being fit.

          • Patycake
            Patycake commented
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            Hiya Smee. I feel the same way about Becky. Her story of getting hit by a train is embellished. I think she's used to being in charge and possibly the center of attention. I also think she's had a pretty easy life so far and comes from a comfortable home. JMO of course.

            I see Shelli as the girl who would be your best friend and when your back is turned steal you boyfriend. Self centered and takes what she wants no matter what. Again JMO

          • ~smee~
            ~smee~ commented
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            Thanks, Walleye. I'm glad you cleared that up for me -- I was not watching, just read it. ''thick&''; really ticked me off, but I feel better now.
            Last edited by ~smee~; 07-29-2015, 11:52 AM. Reason: Edited to remove the random customer address that showed up in my post - shouldn't be doing this and working at the same time. Should I give up work???

        • #13
          As has been pointed out, last night there was Vanessa and Shelli discussing the direction of the game, while the hamsters were sitting around whining how they've been outplayed while blaming the wrong players. Ya got got, guys, and due to your self-inflicted blindness remain sitting ducks.

          There will be several interesting fights, but the ultimate battle will be between the Queens. That will be an Alien vs Predator event. That week won't just be just good popcorn time, it'll be IMAX, put on your 3-D glasses and dodge the flying fists coming out of the screen time.

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          • Luanne
            Luanne commented
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            Do you think it will be sooner or later??

          • BettyBoo
            BettyBoo commented
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            I think they'll take out the easier hits first, then it'll definitely be a battle of the band's. I do think Vanessa is in a better place with more friends than Shelli realizes. I'm guessing about three weeks down the road, the SS will finally split into their two factions with Clay being the first casualty, then Austin. Then the witches will go at it. The winner, I'm guessing Vanessa, will take it all.

          • Walleye
            Walleye commented
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            I know. I bought some safety glasses and a catchers chest pad. I don't want to get hit or scratched.

        • #14
          Oh gosh, I just noticed I got the Full Monty of bars. Zowie, I'm running through the house like Kevin in Home Alone all excited. Thanks to all you likers. (As the HGs say) you knoooooooooow I like like you like you knoooooooow!

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          • Luanne
            Luanne commented
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            Congrats- I forget to look at the bars- and do not think about them. I just like and agree with what you post. Keep going.

          • KennyERJ
            KennyERJ commented
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            BettyBoo, did you know/notice that if you mouse over your reputation meter it also gives you a little message? It says you're ''a glorious beacon of light''! Oh so true!

          • BettyBoo
            BettyBoo commented
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            Hey, Ken, color me blushing. Can't see the message with Kindle, so will check when on my laptop. I knew I really liked this new format. Smiling.

        • #15
          smee- great thoughts. I do not think Vanessa is playing a great game. I still like her for some reason. I would like to see her stay in the game but calm down. She is doing some things right. I laughed when James said (after Vanessa asked him about the I) you know when Vanessa ask a question, she has a reason. When she is not HOH she is not very talkative. It is only when she is HOH that she can not stop. I guess her brain will not stop. I think she is still looking for her one to the end. I think she thought she had it in Austin until he fell in love. She knows Steve is on everyone's list. I think she was feeling Jackie out but got nothing back.

          Until this week, I felt like Shelli was playing the best game. She did not expect to be blamed for the change in plan. I do not think the others have connected the dots yet that Clay/Shelli had several F4/F5 deals. With Jeff/Jackie-- Meg, Jason, James,---- Austin/twins/ Vanessa,------ Johnny/Becky. They just picked up Steve. I think if they ever do, this will help Vanessa. She has only done short terms deals and has been loyal to her alliance. Of course she broke the deal with the "8" but explained that none of them were with her till she got HOH.

          I can not tell you why Becky bugs you, because she does me. I think she has actually turned some deals down. When she won the HOH that was fast, she impressed me but has gone back to the back burner.

          I think this is a good year, not a season 6 but a good year.

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          • ~smee~
            ~smee~ commented
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            Luanne, remind me -- who was in season 6?

          • Luanne
            Luanne commented
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            My all time favorite, Janelle- That was the year I found BBU and have been hooked ever since.

          • ~smee~
            ~smee~ commented
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            Ohhhh, OK, the Nerd Herd year, right? I did not watch that season. Really did not get into Big Brother until I wandered over here from the old SurvivorUpdate website. Always been much more of a Survivor fan -- but I love BBU and all of the people here, so I decided to stick around. Thansk, Luanne.

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