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[sdkgeo]

I have no clue how this vote is going to go tonight, and it's a little bit exciting. If Becky can get Steve and John to keep Clay, all this drama with Vanessa and Austwins will be for naught. Now that would be funny.

[sdkgeo]

Jackie really has Vanessa's number and why she makes deals that she has no intention of keeping, and how she has her own agenda.

[joahnn00]

She sure does, I so want Jackie to win HOH. It would be another interesting week.

[KeninVA]

Like, Jackie does not have her own agenda, and won't keep deals she makes. Which by the way, saying I am nominating someone, and changing your mind is not a deal in my book. Agree to not directly harm you, in an individual game, is a deal. But that is just me. Jason and Meg would have put Vanessa up this week, if Jason had won HOH. They talked about it two nights before Jason got nominated.

[TTOTambz2]

Her "DEALS" were the first time she is in power between now & F7 she won't put up James or his plus one (he chose Jackie) and as you so astutely pointed out she can still back-door them.

Her other deal was that Shelli & JMac would go up with Steve as the back door and Vanessa made everyone in the room PROMISE her.

Yesterday Vanessa told Shelli, Clay, Austin, Steve & the twins she has NO INTENTION on honoring ANY deals she's made with "that" side of the house.

I'm happy for you Ken that you get to keep Shelli b/c I know you were upset about the prospects of the SS blowing up. But, I will caution be cafeful what you wish for b/c all of Vanessa over the top actions (which IMO could have accomplished w/o all the over the top mania) are for naught b/c Vanessa has pole vaulted ahead of Shelli as ADC/Becky (and maybe even JMac) number 1 target in the house.

[joahnn00]

Well all I have to say about now is if James had listened to Audrey things certainly would be different.

[KeninVA]

I don't think that at all. Audrey went home, week three, and Vanessa had power week 4, and this is the first chance to get the perceived power out of the house (Clay and Shelli). I think, based on watching Clay and Shelli talk, had James taken the deal, and put Vanessa up, she would have gone home, and the house would be wide open. With open season on the twins and Austin as the first three jury members. But James took the Vanessa deal, which she will honor if she is HoH, and Jackie will be the prime target, with a backup of JMac.

[BettyBoo]

Ken, Audry was 4th kick and Vanessa had power week 5? Did you discount James and Jace week one?

[sdkgeo]

Sorry Liz, the camera did get you falling.

[Twirlly]

Good morning, BBU!

Oh this house, oh these people! I watched Austwins flip flop at least half dozen times in a five minute span this morning. ~smh~ Yesterday afternoon I heard Liz tell Julia that she knows how Liz really feels about Austin but right now he is her shield, her knight in shining armor. I have NO care or concern for Liz at this point. She is basically prostituting herself. ~smh~

Clay's "gallantry" is making my stomach churn. Personally, I think he is sick of Shelli, won't dump her on national tv and sees getting out now as his best option to be a 22 yr old on summer break. It has nothing to do with saving his damsel, it is an escape plan! He told Steve that "this is Shelli's dream. She's had it longer than I have".....ummm....wasn't Shelli a recruit?

I have no idea who will leave tonight. I'm all for the scenario someone posted yesterday..... He goes to the door and she follows him out!

I gotta say that at this moment Jackie and Steve are my favorites.

[sdkgeo]

I could have sworn they said Shelli as recruited from Tinder

[nonobadfish]

I'm pretty sure Shelli is a recruit. Her answers in her pre-show interviews sure sounded like someone who was recruited...she's new to watching and couldn't really answer questions about the interview process (because she was recruited instead.) It may have come through her brother? (geo, Becky said she was recruited from Tinder. Shelli may have been as well, though).

[BBhead]

Becky is the Tinder recruit.

[KeninVA]

Morning geo, and all who follow,

Becky will not be able to get Steve to do anything. For Steve, Becky is a target, not a confidant.

For Meg/Jackie/Becky, I wonder if they realize that if Shelli stays, they either have to leave her off the block (making it clear to Austin and the Twins that they are liars), or attempt to backdoor Vanessa. Or, they have to put both up, in which case, I expect James will side with Austwins/Steve and vote out Shelli. (James would be insane to leave Shelli in the game, as opposed to Vanessa).

My view of the season, if Shelli stays, Jackie and Becky will be the primary targets from ADC, which will give James time to become a powerful tool in getting either Vanessa or Austin out. I can see quite a few scenarios, that leave James in until F4, where he likely will have to win the F2 HoH to get to the end, the likely scenario for Shelli and Vanessa as well, if they can actually to the end.

When I last left the feeds the Meerkats and Andre had decided to keep Shelli. With 12 hours to eviction, that leaves time to change at least 36 times before they get to actually vote.

For once, the live show is going to be more interesting than the aftermath.

[nonobadfish]

Hey, Ken....
At 2:55 am BBT, James/Meg/Jackie realized they should have used the veto on Clay and put up Vanessa. You tried to tell them.

[herms is here]

They should have listened. You would think that the Austwin's would indebted to James for keeping them safe. I really hope that thereto t Shelli.

[KeninVA]

There is no such thing as indebtedness in BB, except as it relates to your own self interest. James started his HoH week with the goal of getting one of Shelli or Clay out. As his week progressed, he shifted to specifically getting Shelli out. Then he made no effort to align the majority of the houses interest, to accomplish that.

He left Austin off the block, because he was not saving Austin, he left him off the block to not create another enemy, and risk missing Shelli, and having both Clay and Shelli in the house and after him. Austin doesn't "owe" him anything in regards to Austin's game. James built up some trust, in that he said he would not put him up, and did not. Had he put Vanessa up, Shelly would have gone home, but Vanessa would be able to void the deal he made, and it would have been the second deal in the week that he went back on, making it impossible for him to ever work with Austin and the twins.

[Ladychef]

The house has flip flopped again! As of now it looks like Shelli will stay. I don't get that rationale. She is a much bigger threat than Clay. She can win both physical and mental comps. Clay is a wuss. I think Steve is a little rat. Shelli has him in the palm of her hand. (Can you tell I am not a Shelli fan?) Here is hoping Jackie wins tonight! (Although you notice Meg doesn't say she is going to win HOH. hm...)

[nonobadfish]

When I last left the feeds the Meerkats and Andre had decided to keep Shelli. With 12 hours to eviction, that leaves time to change at least 36 times before they get to actually vote.

Flippiest. They are even flippier than BB12 Rachel when she spent an entire night changing her mind on whom she wanted to nominate as HOH. We laughed all night watching her, but that was only one night and the twins (Meerkats!) have provided days of entertainment. (Meerkats is perfect, Ken. Kudos.)

Morning all! I am expecting Clay to go, and that will be fine. Some of us are afraid that it will become too one-sided if Shelli stays, but when you look at the history of this group, they don't do anything normally so who the heck knows what will happen. Either way, we're celebrating that we don't have BOTH Clelli on our screens anymore. (My favorite nickname for those two is Cersei and Jaime, the Lannister twins. I think Linden came up with that one?)

Aren't they going to be surprised when it's not DE tonight!!!!! 9:00 am WAS an early lock-in for them for just a Q/A set-up though, so maybe there's more to it?

[KeninVA]

This group is not going to stick together, I actually think James is going to have a long wrong, and Vanessa's strategy, while impeccable in it's logical reasoning, will become skewed by false assumptions, driven by her paranoid "investigations". And, right now, if Jackie wins HoH tonight, there is some chance she goes home, as long as Jackie is willing to accept that she will have to win out to the end.

[nonobadfish]

I'm a little behind (again), so I'm trying to figure out who I want to win HoH tonight. My only goal is that JMac stays safe, so I guess I pull for JMac or Becky or ???? I've heard his name thrown around so much, I don't know who all is planning to nominate him. I have a JuJuMac F2 wish, but I think at one point he was going to nominate her and vice versa, so I guess JuJuMac haven't realized that they are a thing yet. Sigh.

It's pretty pitiful that I only have one person for whom to cheer. I've got to find another person to like in case something happens to him.

[KeninVA]

I am dying for a Shelli off the block to HoH win, which has happened numerous times in BB. I think they let the preferred winner practice in the DR, myself. (Paranoid revelation courtesy of VanessaDreams Patent Medicine <trademark>)

[nonobadfish]

Just read that Meg, Jackie and Becky aren't counting on Austwins vote tonight....did someone tell them? Or did they just figure it out themselves? They know that Clelli/Vanessa/Austwins are an alliance (but SS doesn't know they know), so maybe they realized that they would vote how Vanessa wants them to vote? (and they know Vanessa is keeping Shelli.)

I have to admit, I'm impressed with how intuitive Jackie is for a recruit. If not for her, the ADC would still be clueless about what's going on around them, but now they know.

So the breakdown in sides is this, right? Vanessa/Shelli/Liz/Julia/Austin/Steve (6) vs James/Jackie/Meg/Becky (4) with JMac still to be decided. That's not too badly one-sided. I can deal with that.

It's possible Steve isn't totally tied to SS for long-term. He seems to be floating in a very smart manner. Steve and JMac are the two to watch here (if JMac doesn't get booted. #SaveJMac )

[beckyd30]

we can only hope that Judas and Liz (the rebellious one) throw hinky votes to evict Shelli.

[nonobadfish]

Going for Four Pink Posts In A Row (haven't done that much this season, and I need to keep my streak going).

I know KenInVa and others have very educated analysis of why I am wrong about this, but I still think the best person for the SS to keep tonight is Clay. Since I don't like the SS, I'm not biased by saying that. I don't want them to do well. But it makes the most sense to me that Clay is a slightly better save for them.

1. Comps: They think Shelli is better at comps, but Clay hasn't really tried and he will KILL the teacup challenge. We know it's coming soon. We may not have another small-foot challenge since we've had the wall, and Clay's athletic ability is going to help him win comps. Comps are a wash.

2. Retribution: Shelli is going to go after James, but so will Clay. We've been watching angry Clay...he won't even speak to him. Retribution is a wash.

3. Numbers: They know Shelli is a number for them. They don't realize that Clay is also with them. Numbers are a wash.

3. Target: They believe Shelli is a bigger target than Clay, but it seems pretty clear that Vanessa has become the target for the other side. So this point really doesn't matter.

Since all of these are, IMO, a wash, why keep Clay???? Because he will pull in JMac. I hate that for JMac, but for some reason he really likes Clay. If Clay stays, SS can most likely get JMac and if they get JMac they have a shot at Becky (yes, I know they know she's a rat, but they won't turn her away if she teams up with them).

Keep Shelli, and the game is more even between the two sides. Keep Clay, and you might have a huge majority. I think Vanessa is the only SS member that benefits from keeping Shelli. But if the others can't figure that out?????? Oh, well...too bad for them. I like a more even game, and I think we get that with Shelli staying.

[BBhead]

I like Clay, and I like his relationship with Jmac, so that's why I want him to stay (I would like to see him play without Shelli too). I'm over Vanessa, Austen, the twin dingalings, and Steve. I also would like to see Clay survive next week, and based on the personal relationships he had with James and Meg before, I would like to see some truths come out and have those relationships repaired/restored.

[KeninVA]

He won't pull in Jmac, he will turn on them with Jmac (IMO). Shelli will try to pull in Jmac, and wisely cautioned, don't burn Becky and if I am here, I might be able to help pull her in. A lot will depend on who is HoH. A floaters gotta float.

[TTOTambz2]

Actually NoNo I'm in full agreement with you. I actually started feeling after the POV there is no way in hell Clay will work with James (more b/c of his concern how the outside would view it). The Golden Siblings wrongly believe they are adored by the outside world.

JMac has specifically said he's not fond of Vanessa's game & has caught bits & pieces of conversations where she was campaigning for Shelli. Therefore I'm in total agreement with you that JMac becomes much more workable for the ADC w/o Clay in the house. He also knows it was Vanessa's plan to target him. That's why I'm hoping for a Becky HOH b/c she once again hear from SS they want him out which might reinforce to him that side is not workable. I think Clay will ask him to protect Shelli though (gag).

To think Shelli won't do anything to stay including tossing out Austin, the twins or Vanessa is naive, but she'll try to keep Vanessa first & foremost b/c she has the strongest ties to her.

In my perfect BB World the audience boos at the result (giving the house a clue), followed by crickets when he walks out & then Becky wins HOH b/c then we might get the drama of Becky finding out Vanessa's plans were to blow her up.

I'll see if Vanessa can pull me back in this week but her desperateness & over the top actions yesterday really turned me off. I just don't feel it was necessary, especially given how intelligent she is. Hoping she ends up on the block this week so she finally understands what it's like to be ignored in the house. Even Shelli who isn't prone to being aware of anything outside herself noted last night that she finally understands how people feel ostracized on the block.

[Tjeffy]

I LOVE being surprised by the votes on Thursday. I HATE being surprised by the votes on Thursday. Does that make sense? lol
I still want Shelli to leave tonight so I may be biased. But, I believe with all the hind-in covering we have going on with the Austwins, Shelli will leave with a few hinky votes. They have changed their mind 125832997 times and will probably change that many more times today. They are very good at convincing Vanessa they're are voting her way but also good at doing that with who they are talking to at any given moment including each other. Each may think that their one vote will be blamed on Steve so they all may vote her out. Which ever way it goes there'll be some surprised faces when the vote is read. The aftermath will be chaotic and fun for us to watch.

Vanessa's feeling the house is shifting and doesn't even realize that she's the reason. Her need to push people to her way of thinking is now being noticed by others. The cast down eyes and nervous looks of who she is talking to should be a warning sign. Her desire to get her way has pushed her to the point of crazy. She had potential to be a GREAT player but her manic, spastic behavior changes that. She will have to win every week to stay in the game and that will not happen. No matter who stays tonight she is in trouble.

[KeninVA]

I watched them in 1 30 minute span of time, flip each other, going around in a circle, Austin: vote out Clay, Liz: Yes, vote out Clay. Julia: We have to vote out Clay. Austin: I am scared of Jackie and James, Liz: lets just vote with the house (which is them, by the way), Julia: You're right, lets just ride this out this week. Austin: But they are desperate to keep Clay, why? Better vote him out.... around and around it went, one time with the circle reversing as Julia said, lets vote out Clay, Ah.... we can't we better vote out Shelli. Liz, Austin, flip Julia, Liz, Austin, Flip..Flippiest. best description ever of those three.

[Kpercyman]

I have to say that it is nice to have a season in which we don't know who will be leaving the day of eviction. It's the twistiest twisty twist twistieroo summer there has ever been!

[beckyd30]

I can't wait to see what Wil does with this week on his BB 17 SAGA

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I still say Shelli goes tonight. And my gut says by a vote of 7-2. Vanessa & Steve being the only votes to keep her.
Van completely threw away her game to save Shelli. With the HOH comp to be what has happened since you been in the house; after some serious thinking about who would win this --- I'm leaning towards Jackie. She just seems to have a good gut feeling on things & seems the one out of these people to follow E!/TMZ type stories.

[TTOTambz2]

Because of Vanessa's actions I was hoping to see this week watch Shelli leave in spite of all her panicked work but I think she'll stay on the Austwins and even try to walk them inside the DR.

I hope you are right though