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[~Linden~]

Just woke up. Reading Lexie's article and updates trying to get caught up. I can't keep up with these people. I'm confused this morning. lol

[TTOTambz2]

Don't worry Linden ... I thought it was Sunday! lol

[OhThisHouse]

What confuses me is Steve is suppose to be a super fan, and sounded like he had no clue who, what, where, JohhnyMac was even talking about. I question how Steve even got thru the auditions. Very confusing. Was he playing stupid?

On a side note: Talked to daughter in law, she an hubby are big BB fans, but only watch the show. I have to be careful what I say when discussing BB as so many things happen between shows. Both were glad to see Clay/Shelly separated, and their favs are JohnnyMac and James. Dislike Vanessa, Austin, Liz, and are okay with Julia, and Steve who.

[psucolleen]

G'morning, Linden and all who follow. I didn't get to watch BBAD last night... Maybe later while I'm prepping for our annual neighborhood party.

One thing that's 'sticking in my craw'....

I love the plan... Nominate Shelli & Steve, pretend the backdoor is John, but really backdoor Vanessa. Keep the plan extremely quiet... Only Becky, Meg, James, Jackie, John. Perfect. But idiot Becky goes and tells Shelli within minutes/hours of the 'don't tell' edict. SO stupid. Nothing could gained from that. I can see how she may want to get into good graces with Shelli but all she had to do was simply tell her that she wasn't the target. And if she wanted at that point to tell her that John was the target, go for it. Then if Vanessa isn't picked for POV and she really felt the need to spill the real target, maybe do so then. But good grief, she was so set on keeping the real plan quiet and then blew it up within minutes to Vanessa's closest ally. RIDICULOUS!

And Rachel is a poopy head.

[Blogzie]

Wrecky loves to hear herself talk.

[Dog Lover]

If I had not already been sitting on the floor when Becky spilled all to Shelli I would have surely fallen on the floor.

How shocking that I continue to be shocked at what these people are willing to share with one another.

"And Rachel is a poopy head".........................LOVE THAT !!!!!!!

[beckyd30]

So in other words, Becky is still a RAT!

[Blogzie]

Johnny Mac speaks! In a normal tone of voice...

Interesting developments in the overnight hours.

Possibly yet another alliance because we need more of those this season.

I'm going to call it the BJ'SS: Becky/John/Steve/Shelli.

I can't wait until they pick players for the Veto.

Why didn't they do it yesterday?

It must be a nighttime veto, which means we will have to wait forever for the results.

And I'm not getting any younger...

[psucolleen]

They always pick players on Saturday morning a few hours befor the veto comp.

[magoopy]

I watched a lot last night and still missed this new alliance. Oh I really don't want Shelli in this alliance, or Becky for that matter.

[Border57]

Hi, everyone. So when Johnny Mac tells Steve that JM will go home if Vanessa doesn't get backdoored, is he telling the truth as he knows it, or is he lying to Steve to make sure Steve does not win the veto for himself, and picks JM to play for veto if he gets to choose? I'm starting to feel like Steve, no one ever tells me anything! LOL! I'm getting twist-twist-twisted around!

[nonobadfish]

I don't know, Border. I don't think Becky would put JMac up, but he doesn't want her to have to break any deals because DE is coming up and breaking deals could cause her to be evicted during the DE. If Vanessa isn't available to backdoor, she would have a big decision to make on who to put up (especially if Vanessa pulls down Shelli). It's confusing...and I'm not sure Becky has thought it through. The ADC tried to mention that to her yesterday, but she didn't want to think about it until today.

[~Linden~]

I think I *might* be able to get behind the BJ'SS. I kinda like the sound of it on the surface. I'll have to mull it over.

[TTOTambz2]

Linden (I'm not a mean girl I promise) but can't we get Shelli out. I'd rather Jackie or James was in that 4-some than her. It's going to be so hard to pull for JMac with her.

Maybe he thinks everyone will hate her in jury & wants to drag her to F2 or F3 to drop her & take Becky.

[TTOTambz2]

Good Morning Linden & All,

Ken will be shocked by my morning post today, but it is what it is. I think I've figured out Vanessa finally... I don't think she is manic anymore I think she is doing this on purpose to appear like Amanda for example. In reality, although I think she is hyper I don't believe she is quite as psychotic as she's appeared. She tries to create chaos to keep people confused.

Now I missed a bunch & I'm running on zero sleep so forgive me if I'm off on details:

*Given I see V's strategy now, for some reason (or at least for the moment) she's not bothering me as much. Or maybe I'm affected by the one person she was also falling on her sword for whose stabbing her in the back. However, she must be feeling the pressure b/c she promised both Steve & Shelli to take them down so to pick her for POV.
*Heartbreaking to watch how upset Steve was and sad to see one of his main 2 alliances wasn't what he thought. I hope JMac doesn't screw him over b/c I think he's a nice kid.
*Becky is kinda bugging me and perhaps it has to do with her wanting so desperately to work with Shelli. JMac also wants to work with Shelli .. ARGH... pulling my hair out.

As I understand it...

Steve or Shelli will pick JMac if they get house guests choice. Steve has decided to throw POV and remain on the block to save Shelli. JMac is ready to play and has told Steve about 8 person alliance but I'm not aware of what Shelli told him which brings me to the fact of I don't truly know who Shelli is with. Does she really want to work with TrainMac? Or is she playing them just to garner safety? If she is going to screw over Vanessa I think I'll go past dislike with her.

Ken was right about James wanting to keep Vanessa over Shelli but Becky has decided that won't happen.

And am I crazy or is Becky a rat again? She tells ADC don't say the word V. That she has to pull Shelli down b/c she'll target her in DE (um not if she's voted out????), and tells SS how "these are my people" aka ADC. It feels like Becky is purposely painting ADC as her people to protect JMac & Shelli to be her true alliance.

As much as I didn't like Vanessa actions Thurs she was less manic yesterday, or perhaps now that I believe I see her strategy it's bothering me less.
I am tired of the chaos and constant painting of "we did nothing wrong" while they constantly change things up. I get why V is doing it now, but that doesn't give the rest of SS the right to.

Glad to see John playing, super disappointed in his female partners. Feel terrible for Steve that he feels all alone & is being hurt by someone he wanted to play deep in the game with & that no one in his F&G alliance told him (esp V) & that she bold faced lied to him about removing him from the block. I truly hope JMac isn't also playing him. On the other hand it's great to see JMac stepping up to play. He's isolated Vanessa as he personal target & threat as has Becky and they will gun for her today.

James continues to grow on me. He noticed Steve feeling down & went to talk to him. As crass as he can be at times he was the one making Steve feel better. It was a touching genuine moment. I'm lost as to whether Steve is that out of it or is playing JMac. Perhaps he just doesn't understand social nuances. Regardless the maternal side of me wants to protect him b/c he is so sincere and I almost cried when he said he wanted his Mom. Likewise if Shelli is turning on Vanessa I'll feel bad for her. I haven't necessarily liked all Vanessa's tactics, but she has been truest to Shelli & doesn't deserve this betrayal.

I just really don't like that self centered girl (Shelli). Speaking of which .... she doesn't seem too broken up today without Clay (unless I missed her breaking down crying missing him... did I?) I think I heard her say his name once. Jackie & Meg cried longer when Jason left.

Heard Clay on Spencer/McCrae show he is perfect for Shelli b/c he is continuing the facade (never lying & playing with integrity) They are perfect for each other b/c they both believe they are above people. He said he lied 3 times once to Steve & the other time to protect John. Never owned the James lie (said it was a misunderstanding... PLEASE!. Jason was right he has a blank canvas between his ears.

Ken ... can you clarify is Shelli backstabbing Vanessa & will Austwins seek revenge if she does? (or will that fall on TrainMac?) Perhaps it was smart of ADC to stay secluded. This way they can't be blamed for whatever Becky/Shelli do.

Should be interesting today to see if either Shelli/Steve get house guest choice and don't pick Vanessa. I think that will clue her in immediately.

Ken I thought of way Vanessa stays. Shelli picks JMac via house guests choice & then V's name gets drawn & b/c Shelli did that they vote her out! Then we can both get what we want V stays and Shelli goes (maybe)

Have a great day all I'm going to bed zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :-)

[TTOTambz2]

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. With this house not doing the norm: take out couples, not let twins in, no unanimous vote... well almost ;-)

It finally hit me yesterday. My big tell was 1st week she had immunity .. remember she cried for a long ime? I thought that was faked. So it just made sense.

[sofieckcs]

It sounds like Audrey's MO and we know how well that worked for her!

[beckyd30]

YES - Becky a rat again.

[Luanne]

Good morning all- Lexie great articles as usual.

Poor Steve,,,,I hope things work out for him. I think John is honest about wanting to work with Steve. However, I am not so sure about Becky. I do not think Becky likes Steve and would not want a F4 with him. I may be wrong as I did not watch feeds last week and was out of the loop yesterday. Someone fill me in, does Becky want this F4 with Shelli, John and Steve or is John just feeding this to Steve to get him to stay on the block. Steve stated several times I do not think Becky will put you up to John and he agrees. The next thing he says is that he would be the target if Steve came off. It does not make sense to me. If Steve came off the block, Becky would put up Vanessa. Does John think Vanessa would stay over Shelli? Steve, do not throw POV. Win it. I am a Vanessa fan but do not want Steve to throw POV. Let the battle be between Vanessa and Shelli.

If Shelli came off the block, she would not fight to keep Vanessa. Vanessa, Vanessa, you have sunk you ship being so loyal to Shelli and keeping your word to Becky and Jackie. You should have let Becky go last week.

[TTOTambz2]

Hey Luanne,

I think it's 2 way motivated.

First: Steve is trying to make sure Steve won't select Vanessa or Austwins to play b/c he's trying to save Shelli (and I hope Steve as well)

Second: JMac told Steve that Becky WOULDN'T but said he'd get her to put him up to save Becky's game. I think it's partly posturing to make sure he doesn't share the info & partly to protect both Steve & Shelli

[Luanne]

Thanks for your reply....

[Blogzie]

Brief interview with Vanessa's girlfriend, Melissa.
Search You Tube for:
Big Brother Vanessa Watch: Interview with Mel

Strangely enough, she's a Vanessa fan!

I knooooooooow-uh..

[Blogzie]

Based on what Steve told the Live Feeders:

He will pick JMac if he gets HG Choice in the Veto pick.
He will throw the Veto and be willing to sit next to Vanessa on the block for eviction night.
So he is now obviously in on the plan to get Vanessa out of the house.

And...he wants his Mommy.

Doesn't he know that Shelli is now available to be someone else's Mommy?

[belle1]

Just my opinion. I think JMac will work with Shelli only because she is a bigger target and can win comps. But will have no problem letting her go. He does not completely trust her. What I don't know is he more committed to Steve or Becky. He did tell Steve that he was not completely trusting of Becky during their early morning talk. In that he has been a sit back type of player, I think he will continue to watch dynamics then make his decision about Steve or Becky.

Wonder if he has noticed the Steve Vanessa relationship.

No matter, I am so delighted to see him in the game and have a full ticket on the JMac train.

[TTOTambz2]

I also think he is beginning to respect James honesty & we may see them align at some point

[belle1]

TTOTambz2- I agree. Thought about putting that in my comments but thought best to wait a bit

[~Linden~]

At the risk of sounding like Steve last night, if Steve wins POV, Becky won't really nominate J-mac will she?

[belle1]

No she will still put up Vanessa. Think Steve is either a bit confused or he doesn't want to risk Vanessa catching on to him being a part of the plan to put her up just in case she stays. So still protecting himself with JMac and Vanessa

[Luanne]

NO, she will put up Vanessa. If anyone wins, Becky wants Shelli down. That should tell James, Meg and Jackie where she stands but as usual they just let it go over their heads. Did they forget they wanted Shelli out last week. They should be ok with Vanessa going up but not Shelli coming down. About the time I think they are in the game , something like this happens.

[joahnn00]

I don't think she will, I think her and Johnny are tight.

[belle1]

I out for the week without internet service. Am okay with either Shelli or Vanessa going out Thursday. Keep the JMac train going

[~Linden~]

It would be so much fun for us if Shelli and Nessa are both on the block.

[psucolleen]

That's exactly what I'm hoping for. And I'd like to take the 'Vanessa doesn't play in the Veto' route to get there.

[magoopy]

That would make me SO happy!!

[joahnn00]

It was glorious to see Jmac come out to play. @TTO I have though many times that this was Vanessa's MO, she creates chaos and mayhem, acts crazy, points fingers and accusations, cries blames it on pms, lack of sleep or whatever excuse and sits back to to watch. She sure makes the game interesting and this whole time johnny just sitting back watching but forced to come out after Vanessa's performance and on her finger pointing on Thursday before the show and eviction.

[joahnn00]

But I still think she is a bit manic at times, imagine it's from the adderall and stress combined.