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**sdkgeo** · 08-22-2015, 07:09 AM

Morning all

Veto comp today.

**KeninVA** · 08-22-2015, 07:18 AM

Morning geo, and all who follow,

Not much to add today, as I have not been following along very closely.

Things that make me go hmmmm..... I called Austin a creepy circus clown on Thursday morning, and by Thursday night, TPTB give him a clown nose, to go along with his hat and hair.

Austin is now targeting Jmac, and if he does not get himself off the block, he will be gone this thursday. Of course, he will continue to randomly point at Vanessa, Steve, and James, but in the end, Jmac will be the best boot, and if he is available, he will go out. I predict a James renomination, if Jmac gets off.

Until PoV is decided, not much to see.

**Blogzie** · 08-22-2015, 07:50 AM

Since I've only been watching BB for 16 and 2/3 seasons now, I should know this, but I don't.

If James wins the veto and takes either Johnny Mac or Steve off of the block, is he still safe from going on the block since he is the veto holder?

**BettyBoo** · 08-22-2015, 07:59 AM

KeninVA I think we fans have gone from excitement over their unusual play, to resignation that most are making stupid moves. Vanessa and Steve are still playing to win, she doesn't need it and he'll spend it on his true love, Mommy. James is only playing for fan fave now. Austin is playing for a WWE career he won't get and for a shallow twit who will drop him right after the parting parties.

Liz assumes she has the prize, so will lay down her guard. Julia has her fate tied to two people who will quickly sacrifice her to save themselves. Johnny constantly attached himself to the wrong players, Clay and now Steve, but at least he has a good career to go back to (with a pile of debt that his BB check won't pay off). Meg will probably leave the happiest since she got exactly what she wanted - a paid summer vaca she had fun with.

Of course, the Veto and upcoming returning player can flip things around and make it fun to watch again. Right now I can't bring myself to even watch BBAD due to the mating of Austin and Liz. Combined with idiotic bowling and pot bowl and the twin screeches, there's no incentive for me to watch. So, for now, I'd rather watch bears taking over a home pool in Jersey.

**sofieckcs** · 08-22-2015, 08:05 AM

Yesterday I thought Steve and Vanessa were ready to go head to head against each other but Steve backed off after the nomination. Has anyone heard Steve speak to the Live Feeders about what he is thinking in regards to Vanessa? Or any thoughts?

**Border57** · 08-22-2015, 08:14 AM

OK, I watched a little yesterday and it looked like Austin was going to nominate Vanessa and either Steve or Johnny Mac and get Vanessa out. And then I read a little later than he had nommed Steve and Johnny Mac, instead. When Steve had said repeatedly, don't use me this way when they were discussing it before..

So is Austin still wanting to get Vanessa out or what? He seemed to do a 180º ? What happened?

**Luanne** · 08-22-2015, 08:21 AM

Good morning all- As many have stated not much to watch right now. I am still hoping that Vanessa wins POV to make sure she is safe. Steve will try to amend things with Vanessa just because she may not go up this week.

You all remember the diary leak with James about America's Favorite. Every since then, he has been more focused on pranks and "fun". I think he is working really hard to win Fan Favorite and the $25,000. He has talked about how little he makes working. The $25,000. and money from being on BB is a large amount to James. He has lost his focus on winning the big prize. I am not sure he would win fan favorite over Johnny. I do not get the love for Johnny. I liked him at first but have left that train. I hope James does win Fan Favorite.

Will not be around to watch right after POV. I am going to spend the day with my granddaughter as it is her birthday. Have a wonderful day and I will check in later.

**TTOTambz2** · 08-22-2015, 08:36 AM

Morning Ken, Geo, Blogzie, All who follow,

Today will decide a lot after POV is played. Not sure I want it be used as it'll be another round & round debate on who goes up.

With the house being so flippy-floppy it's hard to ever cement true intentions especially with the Trio in power.... but a couple of observations:

STEVE:
*Though Steve is playing along with being okay with being the pawn he now knows Austin prefers the Goblins to him/JMac that point wasn't lost on Steve.
* Since winning the HOH Steve's social anxiety has all but disappeared & he's also now demonstrated his more forceful side which came out Thurs night
* Whether he meant to or not his campaign for himself & JMac NOT to go on block together only pinpointed how much he is aligned to JMac & is playing for his own self interest
*The problem with Steve showcasing his personal interest was by doing it so strongly he hurt other relationships. Specifically with Vanessa who I'm not 100% sure won't try to get Meg/James to vote him out with her if noms stayed the same. It's unlikely though given SS has been aligned forever but there is definite tension existing between the 2 now

AUSTIN:
* He has demonstrated to Vanessa, Steve & JMac how tight he is to the Goblins via his initial actions and while some believe James could be the renom if JMac came down I'm in the opposing camp who believe Austin prefers James (second only to Liz) to the other hamsters & enjoys the screen time he gets with him.
* I think the point people are missing regarding Austin's alignment with the Goblins is James kept Austin in the loop during his HOH & Austin knows James could easily have put him on the block. James shared how Clelli threw him UTB and that action went a long way with Austin. While others point to James not being trustworthy (deal to not put up Clelli) Austin sees it differently b/c by him going back on that promise it kept the trio safe.
*Bottom line James offers Austin a bromance, screen time, a male partner who he trusts, another ally who can win the types of comps (endurance) that he can't

TWINS:
*As I mentioned yesterday Julia is VERY obvious in her associations & while she & her sister are the worst at changing their minds it just strikes me as odd that shortly after Vanessa had the convo with Austin regarding the gifting & it was said she offered the car to Julia she suddenly is ALL IN with Vanessa.
*The tell tale sign for me is when Austin told Julia that Vanessa would take her out at F4 (which if you read between the lines also implies she is the most disposable) she didn't care. WHEN has Julia not ever been mad/freaked out if her name is even mentioned? The only reason IMO she blew it off is b/c she believes the bribe she's been offered.
* To re-iterate my on-going rant... I want the Goblins safe this week & Jackie to return & IDEALLY I want to see Jackie put up Liz/Austin to take out Liz. For all their screeching & complaining about people who can't possibly be dentists b/c they raise their voices or won't "take one for the team, so they're selfish" they really haven't been in danger. I'm sick of it & want them to feel what everyone else in the house has felt by being on the block & losing an ally! BB GODS... please make that happen!

GOBLINS:
*Though they don't get out of bed enough & aren't playing enough game even for my liking I do understand the strategy to stay out of the fray. Given how paranoid Vanessa is & how easily the twins flip any little thing into a reason to be targeted it actually might be smart of them.
*They continue to work their relationships with the trio & on the side work to try to keep something positive with Van, JMac & Steve hoping to stay off the block & are hopeful for a Jackie return (or Becky at worst).
*I've loved when James has won HOH b/c he's gone after big players & worked with this closest to determine best moves for the group. Having said that I'm worried if he won he wouldn't put up the trio in order to honor being kept safe this week. That would be dangerous as next week feels like it has to be the week to take out one of the trio.
*1 more observation....If James doesn't get selected to play POV I highly doubt Austin would back door him as that'll really be deemed as a low move & I don't think Austin could deal with sending out the popular James that way. BUT.. I do think Austin could be convinced to do that to Vanessa in the same situation especially if he wants to make "Good T.V".

VANESSA:
*Whether you love her game or not she's PLAYING!
* The fact she was able to stay off the block deserves recognition b/c she knows her position isn't as safe as it was 2 weeks ago.
* As mentioned above while it doesn't seem within her nature to turn on the SS, I noted last week the way Steve was interacting with her wasn't going unnoticed. Now that they've fought I keep waiting for her (b/c she's observant) to be the one to call out how he's no longer socially inept & how it's odd such a sudden change occurred immediately following his HOH. Maybe she'll still get to that point.
*She'll gun for the POV if she wins will keep it the same. If she feels she could work her magic with James is there a possibility given the recent issues with Steve she could align with them & pinpoint the trio needing to be dispensed of next & that they need to align to make it happen? Not sure she'll take that route, but it's possible if the Goblins/her are safe after POV ceremony she might start that chant!

JMAC:

*Based on noms he obviously knows the trio have the Goblins back ahead of his so he'll need to win POV.
* For the sake of argument let's assume nominations remain the same it's NOT guaranteed he leaves... What he needs to do in this event is......................
*Go to Goblins & tell about the F&G alliance Steve outed to him to showcase how tight the 5 really are
* Tell Goblins about F5 with him/Steve. & that trio wanted him to target Van &/or Goblins!
*The other action is a bit trickier: he needs to go to Vanessa and out how the Austwins/Steve had him promise to target her if he won HOH & out all the things they've said about her.
*Once he reveals he knows about F&G's she'll pay attention.
* Finally he needs to tell her she is Steve's target ahead of James & he is gunning to win the next HOH b/c of how she acted this week.

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Again, everything depends on POV today.

My best case scenario is noms stay the same & JMac convinces Goblins/Van to save him & then Jackie (or Becky) return to align with them & create a 5 to take out the trio of Liz, Austin the next 2 weeks.

Bottom line there are fractures in the SS specifically between Vanessa & Steve as well as Vanessa & Austin (though as Ken pointed out somewhat rectified..FOR NOW) which could add to the drama. I could offer a million different scenarios on what could happen (especially with the trio in power), but I'll just put into the universe that I want James to play & win POV so my mice stay safe.

**BettyBoo** · 08-22-2015, 08:37 AM

I'm just guessing that they're afraid that even if they vote Vanessa out on Thursday, she comes right back in gunning for bear (aka Austin's grizzly hide). He is terrified of getting that blood on his hands.

**BettyBoo** · 08-22-2015, 08:57 AM

Just asking, Is Steve's mom's name Rosemary?

**Ladychef** · 08-22-2015, 09:13 AM

I understand Austin's reluctance about putting Vanessa up if the veto is used for fear of her coming back. But I am concerned if Shelli comes back, would she team up again with Vanessa? Watching the clip on the jury house with Shelli and Becky, Shelli clearly has Vanessa's number but would it be to her advantage to reconnect with her? She could do that privately while also trying to align with one of the other groups. I personally don't want Shelli to come back in. I would prefer Jackie just because I am fans of James and Meg. That being said, if Becky came back in she could really stir things up which would be fun to watch!

**adeets3945** · 08-22-2015, 09:22 AM

As much as I want Vanessa gone, I don't think it should be this week. She doesn't need to be given the chance to get back into the game. They've had opportunities to evict her and didn't take them, so get rid of her when she has no chance of getting back into the game. I just want her gone---for good! Also, I don't think I'll be voting for fan favorite because I don't want to choose the best from the worst. I don't feel any of them are deserving of that title. By the way, I am on the James train to win!

**augie33** · 08-22-2015, 11:16 AM

I could swear when I woke up this morning I read a tweet from overnight that someone said the DR said another twist is coming and it was a restart then feeds went to fish. I went back to look at tweets and couldn't find it. Did anyone else read this or am I just crazy?

**cutencuddly** · 08-22-2015, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by Livzee View Post

So appreciate your trying to ferret out this circus. It's like trying to rope jello. The Mad Hater has made me mad - he evaporated like the wicked witch in water yesterday. Why isn't someone stopping Vanessa from bribery - that could definitely become a game strategy for rich trust fund babies - goodness knows, enough of them are flaming narcissists and would love to be on tv for a summer. Vanessa is a law school graduate so she may have found a loophole. As I feel like our government is also bought and paid for, it seems like a big trend here. Ok off soapbox, but I would love your thoughts.

I think you are onto something about her having found a loophole. I bet that's what she found in the rule book that time, and then she ran it by the DR, and they said she was right. I remember that it looked like or that other people thought it looked like she had found something in the book that she urgently wanted to check with DR about.

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