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**sdkgeo** · 08-23-2015, 08:53 AM

Morning all. We have a veto winner. Now the question is whether she is going to twist things around and make chaos this week.

**PumpkinPie** · 08-23-2015, 08:59 AM

Good morning to all. I hope Vanessa doesn't use the Veto and they vote Steve out. I have a feeling whoever gets voted out will be the one coming back into the game.

**TTOTambz2** · 08-23-2015, 09:05 AM

Good Morning Geo, Pumpkin & All who follow....

Vanessa wins POV & immediately turns Meg's crying over being bad at comps (and Zingbot's zing pointing that out) into one of her paranoid theories ending up with the conclusion that the Rock Stars and Goblins have teamed up. I'm not shocked at Vanessa, but for Austin & the twins to even buy into that is ridiculous. More than ever I want the trio ousted from the house b/c of their idiocy & this is a prime example. Austwins know Steve was pissed they wouldn't consider putting up the Goblins, Steve attacked the Goblins in DE & both Rock Stars pointed to the need to take out James. I mean COME ON USE YOUR HEADS!

Regardless, Austin will talk to James today or "grill him" as he says & afterward will return to believing Vanessa is just a mastermind manipulator. James is likely to tell him the only time we talked to JMac was following DE when we said Vanessa had to be targeted & Meg/I were all in with you 5. Our target was Vanessa, JMac & Steve and nothing changes. That will appease Austin & the twins BUT this questioning could actually work against Austin as it will pinpoint to James/Meg even more so how flip-floppy the trio are & whether they can truly trust them.

I called the power struggle between Steve & Vanessa & now the perfect setting is in place for some fireworks this week. Vanessa appears to have shifted her focus on Steve & while she is still pushing for a JMac oust Steve needs to be careful as she could just as easily go to the Goblins and change up the vote to take out Steve instead. Regardless, Steve may actually have moved ahead of James in boot order especially if Vanessa wants to have the Goblins (or more accurately James) be co-conspirators to break up the trio.

Zings:
We've only heard Vanessa's verbatim zing: "you've been playing a masterful game, a masterful crying game".
Meg's zing was tied to how poorly she's been doing in comps
James zing had something to do with Meg putting him in the friend zone
Steve's zing had to do with his Mom
Austin's zing had something to do with him smelling
Liz's zing was something about Austin's girlfriend (his ex I assume)

Moving Forward:
The Austwins are tiring as they have no true game sense & the fact they flip-flop so much while enjoyable for drama is now becoming monotonous as they may as well be handing Vanessa the money. Austin has vowed if James is off on anything today they'll take him out so I hope he's on point today & that the DR work him to not go in that direction as it would literally suck if the only 2 players who get ousted this season by true blind sides end up being Jason & James. I'll be pissed!

Vanessa stated she wasn't using the POV right after the comp, so surely she at least will recognize splitting the Rock Stars is more important than splitting the Goblins just based on their comp ability. Plus she'll recognize Steve will be gunning for her over the Goblins which should make her logically see one of Steve/JMac need to leave this week.

The Twins are panicking it will come out about them trashing Vanessa and worry Steve will out them if veto isn't used, but then reason they could say it was Vanessa choice not to use it to deflect.

Until we hear more about the zings it's hard to see what if any fall out there will be. Likely Vanessa's zing was to continue the house focus for her to be the target, but now that she's won POV that won't be the case.

Possible Actions:
Vanessa has vowed to talk to Rock Stars/Goblins to get to the bottom of where their heads are. (so far both Rock Stars told her she was not the back door plan it was James) Stupidly the Austwins told Vanessa not to believe anything the others say which points out for Vanessa they were complicit in something fishy (plan to take her out). If I had to guess I doubt the Goblins will share any info which will only serve to show the trio how loyal they are to them. Steve may try to reconnect with Vanessa & either push her in the direction of James or sell out the trio. If Steve is completely forthright & tells Vanessa of the F5 deals the trio made & that they were the ones focusing everyone on Vanessa there is also a possibility Vanessa will use that to realign the house, but not likely until the next HOH when she knows who is in power.

If the Goblins sense the trio's shift & change back to Vanessa as their 4th I wonder if this will serve to push them away. Depending on how Austin approaches James it could be what everyone externally is hoping for which is someone FINALLY looking to target the trio.

Vanessa plans to "be fake" with Steve so we will have to see if the DR pushes her toward ousting him in an effort to keep the higher ranked popular players in the house (Goblins/JMac). It's not unreasonable to assume this given the DR already did this earlier today with Austin to plant some seeds of doubt. He was told or it was hinted at someone is deceiving them (logically, that points to Steve IMO, but there are too stupid to see it).

So, today should be a bit more exciting on the feeds and we'll possibly get some blow-ups after POV ceremony if JMac decides to tell Vanessa what's up or Steve & her have a fight.

I've been on the Vanessa vs. Steve situation since he won DE HOH & then Vanessa went on block in next cycle with Steve turning away. Repeatedly I've pointed out things were headed towards this power struggle and IMO that is what will more likely keep noms the same. I think even if Austin starts to shift towards James that Vanessa will focus them on breaking up the Rock Stars. She has seen the other side of Steve & is mad. Steve became too confident & didn't handle the pawn situation well (prior to noms) & made a crucial error telling Vanessa pre-noms he would vote to keep her "if she hadn't lied to him". It seems implausible with all the angst between the 2 currently that she could be swayed off Steve/JMac who'll both target her to take out James so I do feel 95% certain the veto won't be used.

HOWEVER: Vanessa has caught her second wind in the game & I'm anxious to see how she uses it this week to make the trio the target instead of herself. (KEN: I bet you are a happy man today!.... I was going to say camper, but given the recent analogy in the house I chose to say man instead tee hee). I still think with the right amount of DR pressure & if Steve makes any slips ups (or JMac/Goblins give Vanessa any important intel) we could see her shift the target to Steve instead of JMac. One would think whoever stays is going to have to see the 4-some needs to be targeted & one of Liz/Austin need to go next.

For those not on the boards last night go check out podcasts by Nick Uhas/Kevin Campbell (Audrey/Jason) specifically are really good. Jason told why he hates Austin & revealed a SHOCKER: Austin spent the first week (no feeds week) hitting on Jason! Then he hit on Jackie ... so Liz was his 3rd showmance target! (& I viewed a YouTube video between Jace/Austin where Jace called Liz super hot & Austin says he "doesn't think she's hot, besides he's in love & has a girlfriend!" GROSS... Plus the smelly Austin poster can be credited to Jason who said Austin REEKS & he was complaining in DR about it. LOL

Vanessa has had a great rebound week not only winning POV to save herself but also reclaiming power from the idiot trio who if karma works correctly should be targeted next. Saturday Austin was claiming how he & Liz control the house & basically implied nothing could be done to stop them.. that's BB suicide! PREDICTION: it might not happen pre noms or post noms but I bet next week all of the trio's plans will be outed & all the back stabbing of Vanessa comes out. Austin (stupidly) already told Vanessa they saw her as a shield so when 1 of Goblins/Rock Stars (or all of them) spill their guts it will only serve to give credence to it's authenticity.

I'm actually glad Vanessa is safe at least she's playing (and happy for Ken), but I really, really want the idiots targeted & split up next (ideally Liz). If that occurs at least we'll get another round of game playing instead of this current nonsense. I'm hoping Vanessa will shift to taking out Steve so it wakes up JMac & drives him to work with the Goblins & I'm hoping Jackie returns (at worst Becky) b/c as much as Shelli said she'd go after Vanessa I don't believe she won't just fall back in with the SS.

**nonobadfish** · 08-23-2015, 09:35 AM

Morning geo, pumpkinpie, TTO, and everyone...
Wow, what a late night for them and I missed it. And it was Zingbot AND Morph? Cool. So Vanessa wins, assuring that The Curse of Nonobadfish's Favorite Never Lasting Past F8 will claim its latest victim. Poor JMac. But hey, if you want to stay and play, you gotta win, right?

I haven't seen any feeds but reading about Vanessa's post-veto discussions already makes my head spin. So Meg cries, and Vanessa (after much ruminating over and over and over) has now decided that SHE KNOWS FOR A FACT the tears mean that James/Meg/JMac/Steve are all working together against Vanessa and the Austwins. And she has convinced the Austwins that she's right. And now the Austwins are wondering how they didn't see it before, but are patting themselves on the back for now knowing about this vast conspiracy where the rest of the house is against them. Sheesh

Actually, it's fun that Vanessa has a brand new conspiracy because it may stir the remainder of James/Meg/JMac/Steve into finally making the Austwins a target. We know that they weren't working together, but maybe after enough Vanessa meddling, they will become a united front to get out Austin/Liz/Julia next week.

I hope this is dangerous for Austwins since they are the actual HGs who were working with each group. They've now told Vanessa that the others were against her. And they've tried to lay the ground work for Vanessa not to believe what James/Meg/JMac/Steve say about the Austwins. But if James or Meg or Steve or JMac decides to tell Vanessa everything that Austwins have said against Vanessa, will Vanessa believe them? I think there could be some drama ahead soon, even though I'm pretty sure it's too late to save my JMac, especially since he's fallen victim to the above nono curse. Sigh.

I no longer want Vanessa out. I fully and completely want Austin or Liz out with Julia as a third option (but I want Austin or Liz first). There are two reasons for this:

1. The twins have brought down the BB Game IQ to its lowest point ever AND they are simply obnoxious.
2. Austin/Liz back to back HoHs have ruined live feed watching for me for two solid weeks. I am sure they are both nice people, and I am not a prude. But their sexual antics are simply gross. I can't risk either of them winning HoH again, so they have got to go.

I'm out for the day....hope when I return Vanessa will have stirred up more fun.

P.S.
The second Double eviction is usually the week of Sept 3 (that's not this Thursday, but next). Here's hoping they keep that schedule this year, and Austin and Liz are the two sent to the jury house together that same night (where the cameras can't see them.)

**nonobadfish** · 08-23-2015, 09:44 AM

One more thing before I go...
Vanessa surely, as smart as she is, knows that her chances to win are vastly lower if she sticks with Austwins to F4, right? Austin wouldn't take her over Liz, and I don't think he'd take her over Julia (family allegiance). Liz wouldn't take her over Julia or Austin. Julia wouldn't take her over Liz, so Vanessa would have to win herself there.

Vanessa's not good enough at comps to win herself into F2. I guess there's a possibility, but it's slim. So surely she has a different plan that I don't know about, right? It makes no sense to be Vanessa and stick with Austwins to F4. (I'm not trying to look out for Vanessa here, in case y'all didn't notice. I'm trying to keep the Austwins from winning, and I'm afraid that if Vanessa is F4 with them, the Austwins win).

Starting a new campaign for No More Austwins On My Feeds

**belle1** · 08-23-2015, 10:00 AM

Oh the Vanessa conspiracy theories are in full force. Now Vanessa and the Austwins are on a witch hunt. Hope Vanessa uncovers that the Austwins are the witches.

**BettyBoo** · 08-23-2015, 10:10 AM

Morning, y'all. As I went to sleep last night I really thought Vanessa would win, mainly because she knows only wins will keep her safe and at this point in the game, Veto wins are most important. I doubt she'll use it since she knows John is after her and Steve broke her trust (meaning he thought for himself).

Loved reading the conversation between Liz and Julia thinking they controlled the votes. Guess they're assuming Vanessa will vote the way THEY say? Hee hee, don't they get it, they're HER puppets (at least in Vanessas eyes). Also roared with laughter that Liz said Zingbot was rude. Ah, you twit, if you'd ever seen the show, you'd know that's his job.

Things can change, as we know, but I see Steve being voted out. I would love Jackie to return, but I think it'll be either Steve or, depending on challenge, Becky coming back. Becky would go to James and Meg, while Steve could only default to John. The triplets would use him to finally go after Vanessa, which at this point everyone will be in agreement to do.

The HOH or Veto will be absolutely essential for Vanessa this week. But if she wins HOH, I don't see her breaking up Austwins since their unit is her only protection. The returned HG could be an easy target, but James or Thursday's vote survivor will be OK too. The only game for a non-Austwin HOH is who to put up next to her, probably wobbly Meg, and make sure Vanessa doesn't win Veto. No surprise back doors any more. Liz and Julia become stickier since Vanessa has muddied the water with her bribes. Although they would be OK with someone else taking her out, I doubt they want to be the ones to do it.

My twisted sick fantasy is that Vanessa goes out next week not only by unanimous vote, but at the hand of a twin. I cannot stand the twins and I believe bringing Julia in was the fatal flaw of Clay, Shelli, and Vanessa' s games. I would love for Vanessa to have an 'et tu, Brutus' moment, despite the nausea a week of them as HOH would cause me. (A Julia win would be better since no gross sex shows in HOH room.) Appropriate punishment for creating a voting block she doesn't really control.

But, actually a Johnny HOH would make me smile the most. James would be good too. I think their first target is Vanessa, but John would be OK breaking up Austwins as a default move. James would more likely leave them together.

I'm sure Vanessa is feeling the heat and well she should be.

**Luanne** · 08-23-2015, 10:12 AM

Good morning all- my posting is hard due to computer trouble. Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't. I was very happy to read that Vanessa won POV. She is safe for another week. I wish she did not voice all her conspiracies out loud. Yes, Austin and the twins should know they are not true as they have been tight with James and Meg. Looking at it from Vanessa's eyes, it is not 100% crazy. Johnny and Steve did go to James/Meg after the DE and acted like they wanted to work with them. James and Meg think they are ok with them. That is what Johnny was talking about last night when he asked Steve if they should tell Austin. I know he said about back door Vanessa but I think he was talking about their going to James/Meg DE week and working with them to BD Vanessa. So she is not crazy, it did happen. If James had won HOH, Johnny and Steve would have been on their team.

She has a real good feel for things, just should not voice them out loud. She knew something was off last week and this week. She knew they were thinking about BD her last week and she knows the idea was out there this week. She knows Steve has changed and has been throwing her under the bus. She knows Steve and Johnny are working together. She knows that Steve's act of needing a hug is fake. She knows he is not that innocent socially awkward boy he is playing. She knows James/Meg are against her since she tried to work something with James and it did not work. She has no other choice but to work with Austin and the twins. I do not know how she plans on getting to F2 but I hope she does.

**llongori** · 08-23-2015, 10:31 AM

Heads up, Texas peeps: The Cowboys game is being shown during prime time here in Austin. BB is scheduled here for 12:30 am. Check your listings to make sure you get the show recorded.

**BettyBoo** · 08-23-2015, 10:33 AM

Guess what's on today @12:15pm EST on Encore Suspense, Steve's life story: The Usual Suspects.

**Autumn** · 08-23-2015, 10:57 AM

I don't want James or JMac to be voted out this week. Steve need a to go. He seems to be a very smart person but like I tell my grandson, he has no common sense. Steve is no Ian for sure.

**belle1** · 08-23-2015, 11:10 AM

No matter what Vanessa finds out about the Austwins, she will not act on the information immediately or perhaps at anytime. She has no choice but to continue with them in the game. None of the other HGs will team with her. The interesting thing is who she chooses to go with in the end and how she divides up the Austwins. My only hope now is that she decides that Steve is the better one to target this round.

Very interesting talk between James and Meg early this morning. James sees the changing tide between Vanessa and the Austwins. True some of his thoughts are off but he has the picture. Now what will he do about it? He knows that being truthful with Vanessa has benefits. His dilemma is what does he tell her during her interrogation. Aside from the game talk, I just love their relationship. Their trust and respect for each other is a breath of fresh air.

Waiting for the interrogations today.

**aprilshowers** · 08-23-2015, 12:04 PM

I wasn't able to watch any feeds post POV last night. So if I am reading this right. Austin thinks that James/Meg/JMac/Steve are working together. He is going to interrogate James to try to get him to admit that they are working together, and when he doesn't (because they are not), then he is going to say he is lying and it will give him a reason to possible target him.

I can't wait for them to get out of the house to see how wrong they were about so many things.

I am hoping that Vanessa does not use the Veto, Steve is voted out. Jackie/Becky come back in. JMac joins up with the James/Meg/returning HG of Becky/Jackie and breaks up the Austin/Twins trio. At this point, I do not care of Vanessa stays I just want Austin and Liz off of my feeds. We have had two weeks of grossness. We deserve nice things this week.

**cpamama** · 08-23-2015, 12:34 PM

Well, it seems like all BB fans are on the same page for once.

I don't think anyone is on an Austin/twins train or Austin/Liz train. I have been saying for 2 weeks that ANYONE including Meg or returning HG would be my pick to win over Austwins. Vanessa knows that Johnny Mac wants her out and that Steve is no longer on her side, so I'm thinking she leaves the nominations the same. And I really, truly think that if anyone other than Austwins (& maybe Johnny Mac) gets HOH next that Austwins will be targeted. 'Bout time!

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