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Morning all. I'm not really sure who will be going home on Thursday. I know that Vanessa, Liz, and Julia told Steve early this morning that they were keeping him, but I also saw that Vanessa said that she was going to pretend to make up with him, so I am not sure where this is going.

The anticipation of finding out who the returning HG will be is big. Who will they connect with. Whoever it is, please target the twins. Send Liz out and you will get a twofer because Austin will be campaigning to go to jury with her.

[BBhead]

I didn't hear Vanessa tell Steve she would keep him. She told him she and twins would vote together. If she's smart, she convinces the twins to get rid of Steve.

[Dog Lover]

I am no longer convinced that Austin will campaign to follow Liz. She is no longer sending mixed signals which makes Austin more confident about their potential after the game. I am anxious to see exactly what happens if/when Liz is voted out.

[KeninVA]

Morning geo, and all who follow,

Like geo, I have no idea who is leaving. Meg is undecided, James leans towards a Jmac boot, the twins lean towards keeping Steve. I believe Vanessa would rather keep Jmac, over Steve. I think her calculation is that she can beat Jmac at mental/logic, and with Steve, it is a toss up as to who would come out on top.

Lots of time left until the boot, and return. The only interesting thing I saw was James, telling Meg, if he is HoH, he might have to take a shot at Liz/Austin.

Steve and Jmac will perform limited campaigning today, Vanessa will be looking to see if Jmac is savable, without going out on a limb for him (meaning she will have to have at least Liz or Julia agree to vote with her).

With 8 people in the house, at least 5 left have a decent shot of winning the game.

[Ellee1]

I saw where Johnny Mac told Vanessa that she would have to be his #1 and he would have to be hers otherwise he might as well be voted out. I think he also indicated Lizton as his target. This was on BBAD. Camera was on JM. No Vanessa. Couldn't really hear too much of Vanessa.

Is BBAD the same as what is seen on the feeds?

[nonobadfish]

Yes, Ellee1, it is....the only difference is that the feeds give you more cameras. But what you see on BBAD is what they are showing on at least one of the cameras on the feeds.

[TTOTambz2]

Good Morning Geo, Ken, Ellee & all those who follow:

Well, well, well.................. who would have thought JMac had it in him? He ends up being the one to out the 5 person alliance formed with the Austwins/Rock Stars to target/take out Vanessa last week & any thought of her using the POV goes out the window!

Steve doesn't react well: first he denies it was formed last week when everyone else cops to it & then he calls out Austin (who formed it with him) in front of the Goblins. Suffice to say not a great day for Steve-uh.

The twins are furious JMac outed the F5, but what exactly do these girls expect? They had deals across the board and the bottom line is if any of those alliances had put them up they'd be spilling everything they knew & making a bigger scene than either JMac or Steve. The twins have so many annoying parts to their games like calling people names, flip-flopping, screeching and above all expecting everyone to only play how they want. But, I think the most annoying part of the twins game is this constant reference to "you'll lose 3 votes" if you don't do what we want or put us up against each other. I wonder if Vanessa cringes every time they say that wondering to herself why she ever bothered to make a point to save them both. (**see what I think might happen once they do end up on the block below if a certain little guy wins HOH).

JMac has pulled on his game pants: Sunday night he lied about Meg, tried to throw James UTB as well as the Austwins & Steve all in an effort to get Vanessa to use the POV. When she didn't he moved on to telling Vanessa he wants her to be his #1 and if she doesn't want that then just send him home. I'm not sure how sincere he is, but it does make sense he'd rather target the Austwins next if he stays. I do find it humorous the trio belittle his comp ability & how well he's snowed them on his capacity to win. That & him throwing comps may be what saves him. OH.. and he offers Vanessa the partner she needs to break up the trio. Since Van asked Julia how the F3 works with Liztin you can see she's thinking about breaking them up already.

Vanessa: regardless of her pulling out the manic version of herself yesterday she now is FULLY aware Steve cannot be trusted AND although she is playing along with the Austwins that "all is even and forgiven" I doubt she really feels that way. Suffice to say she has a solid "reason" to split them up if she wants. I'd say she won't want to be the one to do it & she'll want to target Austin given her tendency to lean toward females, but more likely would be her hoping JMac would win HOH & do it instead. Vanessa has consistently wanted James out for weeks, but with her knowing the trio need to be broken up ASAP would she talk to them to create a deal for next week? It's the last time the house will hold a voting advantage if one of the trio is on the block, so let's see if this convo transpires this week.

Goblins: Hearing about the F5 the trio made with Steve/John just gave them all the reason they need to break up the trio if they want. James told Meg he'd rather JMac leave b/c he is good at the same type of comps (he's under estimating JMac's brains though) AND he also said if he wins HOH he might just have to break them (Liztin) up. Little does he know how happy viewers would be if he actually does it! **As per above if James/Meg won & put up Liztin & the twins threatened the votes I'd place money on James being the one to say "I guess we better take all 3 of you out then!" James will tell them it's a game move & bullying him will only make him more driven to make it a clean sweep.

Steve: He has the leg up on JMac given his longer relationship with the Vaustwins & knows Vanessa is likely looking at him as the next target. He really needs to talk to the Goblins to develop some sort of working relationship with them moving ahead. With their influence over Austin if Steve can get them on board to keep him it should be a done deal (ditto for JMac, but possibly easier since Van would rather keep him at this point).

[BBhead]

Where you said he lied about Meg: is that in reference to her telling him that he should go to Austin and tell him his feelings about Vanessa (not those exact words but the gist)? That wasn't a lie....that conversation took place in the dentist's room, just as he said.

[TTOTambz2]

Hey Head,

I'm basing it on updates I read (not on what I saw) so to be fair this could be not completely accurate. JMac initially caught on that Vanessa was mad about Meg so he played up that Meg was the cheerleader to take out Vanessa. I don't know if she said specifically to talk to Liz about her or just to talk to her, but he did play up the Meg angle. Later he backed off it after Van talked to both James & Meg. I also based it on Austin saying his story changed & Steve apparently saying JMac was trying to paint the Goblins with partial untruths so Van would take him down.

So maybe lie was a harsher word than necessary.

The funny part is neither Steve or James said it was Austin who formed their F5 but privately the twins said that it was Austin. To her face they said Steve then JMac. I'm so confused at this point I don't remember who formed that 5.

Later in the day JMac told Vanessa & Austin he had nothing to pin on James/Meg negative. I think he backed off that tactic b/c now he needs their votes & in all likelihood he'll gun for Liztin anyway.

Btw, I've been meaning to ask you... wasn't your daughter or a relative going to try out for BBCan? Did she end up auditioning?

[TTOTambz2]

(sorry last post was super long so part 2 here....)

Reasons to oust:
* JMac could align with returning player
* JMac has basically said trio are his target
* Steve's comps he'll kill are due
* Steve's demonstrated he is a killer without emotion & his whole "human level" game isn't being bought anymore
* Steve will be ticked if he's put up as a pawn again (which he will be) & then if he wins POV he'll come after trio (not like he won't anyway)

Reasons to save:
* JMac "might" be convinced (or at least he'll say okay) to throw next HOH/be pawn
* Trio incorrectly assume they can easily beat him in comps
* Steve has a long term working relationship with the trio
* "IF" he's on their team & wins the Day's comp he could do their dirty work to take out Goblins or Vanessa

Returning Player:
I'd say regardless of who leaves if they are the one to return and win HOH it's an automatic Liztin are the noms. As much as the others think Jackie/Becky would go after Vanessa it's more likely all 3 girls have purged and given the personalities are logical enough to recognize the trio needs to be the priority targets. I'd say Liztin are in for a big surprise next week even if Shelli returns. They'll also know Vanessa needs to be taken out after Liztin.

At this point it seems the likely boot is JMac, but as we know the Vaustwins will vacillate back & forth all week. It's not likely we'll know exactly who is leaving until 5pm Thursday right after Vanessa marks her target via a blow-up. I just wonder if the Goblins/trio will decide to take out the opposite of whoever Vanessa targets.... hmmm

[Twirlly]

Good morning BBU

Another week of not knowing until Thursday exactly who is going home and I like it that way! It has kept us all guessing and rethinking right along with the HGs.

A couple of things that I've seen in the last two days........... Steve saying that Austwins is an impenetrable force was not lost on Austin. He is preparing for them to be split and basically told Liz that he knows they will be immediate targets. I think he will start working to make Julia the sacrificial lamb.

IF Van and JMac are serious about teaming up, they should draw the stick pictures for Meg/James of the triple vote and pull them in to make Austwins the target next week. I don't think it would take much to pull James in and where he goes Meg will follow. No matter who comes back, I think the recognition of the triple vote will bring everyone on board to split them up with Van being the backup plan. All of the talk of promising no matter who comes back they are the next out is BS.

I don't believe for a minute that JMac intends to honor any F2 deal with Van. He'll say/do what he needs to now to stay, break up the trio and then go after Van bringing Meg/James along with him toward that goal.

I think we will see Van and JMac cultivating Meg/James until Thursday.

Then again with these HG's who knows for sure what any of them are thinking! We can't even believe Steve's talks with himself.

[TTOTambz2]

I sure hope you are right Twirlly, JMac has made some really poor decisions and targeting the Goblins makes zero sense next week if he has power as it's the last time they will have 3 votes to 2 if only one Goblin is on the block!

[nonobadfish]

Morning all....

Vanessa's in a tough spot. She's realized that she can't control Austwins as easily as she thought (no swaying them on the PoV use). That means they are running her game instead of her running theirs. She knows she needs to flip this (or find a way to better position herself), but the answer is not easy. Even if she wins HoH this week and has the power to nominate, the Austwins still control who goes home...their voting block of three runs the game (unless Vanessa puts one of the on the block....but then she's admitting she doesn't trust them to vote with her).

I think her only solution is to quietly give up on the Austwins and build her own team. But that is quite risky...if she gives allegiance to JMac as his only one, she still has to convince Liz/Julia to keep him, and she also runs the risk that JMac would tell everyone anything she says and turn them all against her. (I don't think he would, but she can't be sure). If she works instead to get Meg/James to vote for JMac, they could easily tell the Austwins what she's doing, and then she's toast again.

So it's safer for her to vote to keep Steve, but she's burned him and has no idea if he's going to stay loyal to her.

Meg/James are in the same position, actually. Their two votes can't control who stays either. and if one of them wins HoH, they still don't have enough power to beat the Austwin's votes.

The fact that James told Meg that he might put two of the Austwins on the block is encouraging.

Even though it would be SO risky and require more trust than they feel for each other, I wish that Meg/James/Vanessa would throw caution to the wind, team together and keep JMac, counting on the fact that they have the best chance to gain whoever comes back in the house.

If Vanessa/James/Meg/JMac team up:

1. Becky aligns with them if she returns
2. Jackie aligns with them if she returns
3. Shelli PROBABLY aligns with them if she returns (I can't see her choosing the Austwins since they are a solid three and too hard to break up)
4. Steve is a toss-up. He might go with the Austwins out of bitterness at Vanessa. But maybe not....

Vanessa/James/Meg could also team up and keep Steve, but then they're not guaranteed to get Becky if she returns and JMac would be a toss-up. They also can't be sure that Steve is really with them....his loyalty to Vanessa (and his to her) will be questioned.

Most likely they're going to evict JMac and take their chances with the Returning HG. But I sure wish that Vanessa/James/Meg would find a way to steal that power back from the Austwins, and I don't think they're going to do it unless they find a way to work together (even for a little while).

Check in with y'all later!

[TTOTambz2]

I agree Head.... BUT will the Austwins ever believe him? Remember he said he'd tell Vanessa they had a deal and would go back on it.

What I don't get is if Vanessa wants JMac to stay all she needs is the Goblins votes with her. They can make a deal to keep each other safe through the next vote to break up the trio. They don't need the twins for this. Further the Goblins can say they don't trust Steve b/c he took out Jackie & put up Meg after telling her his target was Austin, the morning of the DE.

Btw: Goblins actually have the nail for Steve's coffin with Vanessa: All they have to do is tell her Steve told them she was the reason Jackie was put on the block. When they were in the HNR after DE he never said her name, but he said I'm sure you can figure it out & he used "she" "the person everyone wants out" (Vanessa) was the person who told him Jackie was coming after him. If they tell her that it will push Vanessa over the edge IMO. The problem is at this moment James wants JMac out.

Vanessa can simply say she couldn't get past her trust issues with Steve. It will make things a little dicey but like NoNo says odds are the returnee will likely align with JMac/Van/Goblins. I even think a returning Steve would see the logic of breaking them up. This is also the time to do it as they really only have to beat Liz.

Vanessa keeps saying this will be a dates based comp. Last year when Nicole returned there was the crap shoot disc comp followed by the boxing comp which was dates related. Though Liz is good on dates odds are Van/JMac will be better & who knows maybe Meg will sense the urgency & be looking to atone for her Zing. It feels unfair to do dates with a returnee though unless they stick to dates all prior to jury starting and/or only go beyond those dates including what was on the C.D. for the week.

The most interesting returnee would be your choice of Shelli who wants to take out Vanessa, but I think she'd see the logic of breaking up the trio first prior to turning on Van.

[Ellee1]

BBhead, JMac will certainly gun for that HOH.

[Ladycop]

Even if she wins HoH this week and has the power to nominate, the Austwins still control who goes home...their voting block of three runs the game

Not necessary if they are the ones on the block. I put up Austin/one twit (Liz) and then if either wins POV I put up the other twit (Julia). Whoever is left of the Austin/Liz combo is the one who I am hoping goes home and in this scenario they don't run the game.

[cutencuddly]

It's. Only. Tuesday. Morning.


What a long few days this will be.

[Ladycop]

I agree cutencuddly....only been home one day and when I have looked at the LFs all I see are the Austwits in the HOH or no game talk. Ugh, I just can't watch this sh*t much more. I am ready to cancel my feeds especially if any of those three win on Thursday.

[BBhead]

Something important (to me) in the BB house always seems to fall in my birthday week, so I make it my wish that the outcome I want occurs; S14, I wanted Frank to win veto and he did. S15, I wanted Judd to reenter the house and he did. This year, I want Jmac to stay, so I hope my wish comes true, and my streak continues.

[TTOTambz2]

I remember how thrilled we were when Judd came back in and Allisa told him he was safe to boot!

[Ladycop]

Happy Birthday to you and may your birthday wish be answered......yes, yes, a 1000% yes.

[kokomogirl]

Happy Birthday, BBHead. May all your BB wishes come true!

[PumpkinPie]

My hopes: Vanessa talks with James/Meg and they decide to work together for the purpose of getting Austwins out, putting two of them up together with Liz as the target. I hope JMac stays and seriously aligns with Vanessa. Send Steve out and hope he doesn't come back. Anyone staying aligned with Austwins at this point in the game is just ridiculously stupid.

[cutencuddly]

My hopes: Vanessa talks with James/Meg and they decide to work together for the purpose of getting Austwins out, putting two of them up together with Liz as the target. I hope JMac stays and seriously aligns with Vanessa. Send Steve out and hope he doesn't come back. Anyone staying aligned with Austwins at this point in the game is just ridiculously stupid.

Well, they need to make the triplets think they are aligned with them at least until Thursday night. Longer if one of the twins wins HOH.

[TTOTambz2]

Absolutely

[crissykins]

I just don't understand why they all thought it would be so neat to have both twins in the house, especially when they all knew Austin had a thing for one of them. *sigh*

[TTOTambz2]

I agree with Ken. I think there was the novelty to bring them in, but remember the week they came was just after Austin avoided his back door. Vanessa had every reason to believe even though she saved him Austin would remain a target for the other side. She had Julia on lock at that time & Liz had told her she wasn't in to Austin, but felt she was trapped. Who knew those 2 would develop into a full fledged showmance or Julia would do a 180?

As for the house not targeting them, the players this year haven't exactly recognized real threats and were it not for James, who knows if Clelli would've been separated. Also the BOTB ends up working to offer back door options, though this year appeared to work to oust strong personalities early (Jace, DaVonne, Jeff, Jason & Audrey). I also think most viewers expected the twins would last one week before being targeted.

[cutencuddly]

*She had Julia on lock at that time & Liz had told her she wasn't in to Austin, but felt she was trapped. Who knew those 2 would develop into a full fledged showmance or Julia would do a 180?*


Who knew? Um, well ... it was strongly suspected by some of us who wondered why Liz was fighting so hard for someone she supposedly didn't like. What was she afraid of? How would she be trapped if she just let him go home? That should have been a huge red flag to Vanessa. The queen of logic and/or paranoia and she let that go.

[crissykins]

Even though Liz kept saying she wasn't into Austin, they knew Austin was into Liz and unless she outright rejected him he would do his best to garner favor by protecting her and her sister alike. She was leading him on and Vanessa knew that.

[cutencuddly]

Many people will point to saving Austin as the demise of their game.

Since Shelli (with her outrage about Becky, James and Meg not being delighted that Clay is the one who got off of the block) is one of those who will be able to point to that moment, I'm peachy keen with Austin and the twins going this far.

I hope they get busted up and someone else wins, but a triplet win will make this an especially memorable season, and will make it much harder for any couple, much less trio, to make it far in the near future.

Couples paranoia will be rampant.

Which could mean less undercover shenanigans. And fewer people like Clay and the pizza boy throwing away their games.

So yay.

[cutencuddly]

It took me a loooooong time to even be able to remember the pizza boy's name and he was one of my favorites until he threw his game away. I could remember Amanda's name but couldn't get to 'McCrae' until I eventually skipped over to 'McCranda' and then I finally backtracked to him. What a sad story.

[Ladycop]

While the Austwits going far could make it harder for any couple, that isn't a given. After all, couples usually don't go very far. Those people left in the game can point to a lot of dumb decisions. Leaving Vanessa in when she was an easy target was stupid! Allowing the twins to come in was stupid! Putting JMac up so much was a gamble and he thought that they were just using him once again this week and he threw it again and that was stupid. Oh well......let's hope that further fans will recognize but as we have seen, we are getting more "celebrities" in this game and they don't recognize the same dangers.

[kokomogirl]

As long as there are recruits who don't know the strategic play of the game and not an entire cast of fans who think they know all the ins and outs of the game, there will always be BB couples and house guests who want to hook up with ''friends with benefits''. That's okay and I understand the raging hormones at the ages most of these people are. What I don't understand is why TPTB think it is something that we, the viewers and live feeders, want to happen and watch. If it's going to happen (and it is), then fine by me but I don't understand why TPTB want or need to show us soft core porn and undercover shenanigans. All I can think of is that there must be a lot of viewers who like this.

[Itssummer]

I have no clue who will be leaving or returning on Thursday, but, if I was in that house, I wouldn't trust one word out of Vanessa's mouth. She could align with James/Meg today, and the austwins could tell her she looks nice, and she'd be telling them about the alliance in a heartbeat. Nope. I think I'd keep my mouth firmly closed around that woman. My only wish/hope is that Meg somehow, some way, manages to surprise everyone and pull out a win this week. I think between her and James, they'll come up with a really good strategy - maybe even one that the gurus on this board haven't thought of. Yes. Maybe she's a savant. Maybe when she gets into that room, and it's HERS, suddenly she'll start spouting game plays that are unbeatable. Yep. Could happen. Whatever gets the 3 musketeers and their side-kick out is fine with me.