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  • Live Feed Discussion-August 27

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  • #2
    Morning all. Happy eviction day.

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    • Tjeffy
      Tjeffy commented
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      Morning sdkgeo.

  • #3
    Good Morning Geo & All Who Follow:

    I'm feeling for NoNo, it sucks to lose the people you become attached to. I'm curious if the house sticks with evicting JMac if he'll pull out a classic exit speech & call out the entire SS & then yell out to whoever returns "TAKE DOWN THE TRIPLETS & DON'T BELIEVE ANY DEALS THEY LIE!"

    Eviction Day Notes:

    *I find it odd Vanessa hasn't called out the triplets for having deals with everyone when THAT was why they were mad at her and much of the reason she became a target!

    *Vanessa's constant desire to take out/target/set-up James/Meg confuses me b/c she's just learned her entire alliance has been plotting against her for over a week (almost 2). Doesn’t she get targeting the Goblins could leak to them & she needs them to break up the Triptwits.

    *Ditto to the above for Steve, he knows he was expendable (and can easily learn from the Goblins his staying wasn't an automatic) plus he has to know Vanessa will never trust him again. Yet he's had zero talks with the Goblins

    * Also very odd is how easily the Austwits appear to have fallen back in with Vanessa. While I know the twits will flip just as easily it still doesn't make sense. Surely they know Vanessa is better than them in every facet of the game other than social fun. Why would they want to take her & brainiac Steve to F5. I'd say they were just playing her, but they aren’t sharing intel as freely with the Goblins. Surely James & Meg see this shift, so the only positive thing coming out of it is gives them a reason to target the Twits..

    *Meg has become the designated grim reaper who'll deliver the news to JMac. BUT …Vanessa wanting to garner his jury vote tells him she can’t swing the votes b/c he’s too close to the jury.

    * Interestingly, when Steve asked to tell JMac, Liz was adamant they wait. What will Liz (twits) do if they discover Vanessa already told him

    * Vanessa has painted herself into a bit of a corner b/c she’s implied to JMac that James wants to keep him, so he told her she’ll be doomed if she doesn’t make the jump now. Perhaps the DR can give him a Vanessa for Dummies book ... then he can lay out skittles for her to see what is very likely to happen.

    * To wit JMac needs to pull out all the stops and tell her none of the returning players will work with her & she’ll likely be targeted over the triptwits unless she keeps him to pull in the returnee & align with Goblins.

    *Austin did the Goblins dirty telling Steve they want him out (not true) so he'll target them (Vanessa's idea) And yet another reason why I want the Goblins to go all the way as the ONLY "reason" the Austwits are loyal is b/c 2 are related & 2 are having relations!

    * How is it logical to JMac that Vanessa wants him to stay? All she/he has to do is talk to the Goblins, but she keeps reiterating I'm voting with the twits which only reinforces she is tight with them! To hear Vanessa tell both JMac & Steve she is alone makes me want to replicate JMac's gagging motion. Come on, you've spent the entire week either complaining about the shaft, up in the HOHR talking strategy, trying to get the Goblins ousted and aligning the nominees either via bullying or false advertising to get their jury vote AND studying dates with Steve.

    * JMac appears to either be on to Vanessa (just making nice for jury vote) or is putting her in a corner by coming straight out & asking her if she'll vote for him if he can flip the Goblins. She reluctantly said yes BUT that she wants to vote with the twits.

    *Maybe I'm crazy, but why are the Vaustwits so certain they can pull Shelli right back in? Apparently on eviction day she had a tiff with Austin & in exit interviews she said she'd target Vanessa. With Becky/Jackie downloading to her won't they all see the Triptwits are the priority target?

    * Doubt Liz wants to win HOH, putting extreme pressure on Julia and while I can envision Steve not wanting to win (due to anticipated DE next week) he concerns me a b/c this week was like his "Scared Straight" audition. I worry he'll go after James stupidly instead of breaking up the Triptwits. Ditto for Vanessa.

    My only hope is a returnee or a Goblin win & finally the viewers get what we are THIRSTING for. To that end, how funny will it be if tonight audience ROARS for JMac and then boo's Liz when she exits next week. (tee hee.... sorry....not sorry)

    I wonder how tonight's HOH will work: Will it be a crap shoot separate non HOH battle? or a combined 2-sides jury versus existing hamsters similar to Judd's return?

    I want James in the F2 chair & while it would be nice to see Meg beside him simply b/c they've been the most loyal to one another it wouldn't matter to me at that point. Hearing James earns barely $20k a year & isn't in the house for fame makes me pull for him even more. Even if he wins $50k for second that's more than 2 years income for him. I wonder if at some point James saves Austin via vote over anyone in SS if Austin would pick James at F2 if he had the choice & obviously Liz would have to be gone simply due to bro-code (& thinking he has the votes with his delusional ego).

    Anyway, fasten your seat belts kids tonight should be fun & again NoNo let's hope you get the double jeopardy version of your F8 Curse & JMac just comes right back in, wins HOH & puts up Liztin!
    Last edited by TTOTambz2; 08-27-2015, 07:48 AM.

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    • nonobadfish
      nonobadfish commented
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      Here's hoping, TTO! But I don't want JMac to come back in unless he can be instrumental to taking out one of the Austwins. More than anything, I want SOMEONE TO TAKE OUT THE AUSTWINS. (Wait...am I yelling? Sorry. I just really want someone to take out the Austwins. Quickly.)

    • Ladycop
      Ladycop commented
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      OH NONO, I hope you get your wish and Head has a Happy Birthday present when she sees Liz and Austin grabbing seats on those two chairs. I can't wait for her words to echo in that empty head of hers "When it's your time to go, it's your time to go".

  • #4
    I may regret saying this, but I am so ready for a change up in the game. I am getting bored with this power structure. I do hope this return is different from past and the returning player gets to stay. I would prefer Jackie, but.... Otherwise have an excellent eviction day!

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    • #5
      Did anyone catch the look on James' face when JMac casually said that Steve is much closer to the Austwits than he is? Casual comments to James and Meg like this followed by 'innocent' comments by Vanessa might have changed JMac's expected eviction.

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      • #6
        Morning all,

        Jmac is 90 percent out the door. While Vanessa is obviously thinking of the flip, I think her instinct is to still stay loyal, now, because of the threat of the return juror. She does not feel particularly safe, but has every reason to believe Vaustwins would preserve her, over Steve, in the event of being on the block together. Right now, keeping unity with Austwins, is, IMO, her best bet. Flipping to Jmac, and hoping Shelli or Becky come back in, seems relatively high risk. James and Meg would still target her, and would still vote her out over anyone else left, except possibly Steve. If Meg got booted, that might change, but right now, sticking to Steve and the Austwins, seems her best bet.

        Austin is living in a dream world, if he thinks that he can cut a deal with either Jmac or Steve, that they would keep. The box he put himself in is that James doesn't care if he breaks deals to make a big move, and Austin broke his deal with both Steve and Jmac, meaning they will have no problem putting the Austwins up, no matter what they tell him. I think Austin started to feel that last night, paradoxically telling Liz, she has to win HoH, but not helping her study, since he wanted to get to the nightly finger activities.

        I think Vanessa has worked herself back to 4th among the Austwins. The key for her in a returning juror scenario, like Jackie, is to point out the power of an unabated trio, at F7, should she exit the game. She might also be able to offer a deal, to take the returnee down to F3, in a mutually beneficial relationship. I think she would stick to it, and Jackie might be tempted, after hearing from Becky in Jury.

        I actually think her best return is Jmac, followed by Becky, and then Shelli, with the worst for her being Jackie. For James/Meg only Jackie is likely to work out to their benefit. For the Austwins, they are right to be afraid of every returnee, since all of them will have enough perspective, or should, that they need to be broken up.

        The more I look at the board, the more I am convinced that after the returning juror sorts itself out, the best move, for almost every player (operating in pairs i.e. James/Meg or James/Jackie or Meg/Jackie, Vanessa/Steve or Vanessa/Jmac or Vanessa/Shelli (all potentials), is to get Austin and Liz out, and keep Julia for the final three. She represents mutually assured destruction as a weak competitive threat, but a definite F2 threat (this almost is never the case), all the incentives are then to get her out at F3, and take your chances against the other partner in front of the jury.

        If I was James, and Jackie comes back, I would be looking to let Meg go, and use Jackie as his go forward partner, as a better competitor. I just don't see how that could actually happen.

        Still some time for flipping to occur, Jmac is not done just yet. Maybe some interesting daytime feeds, with a patented Vanessa blow up at Steve, to give her a ''reason'' to flip her vote. It would be a little funny if she did yell at Steve, and then his picture changed to B/W, but I don't really expect this.

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        • Tjeffy
          Tjeffy commented
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          Do you really think that Steve will go after the triptwits this early? I think he might be too scared of the wrath just yet.

        • KeninVA
          KeninVA commented
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          I don't think either Steve, or Vanessa would go after them until the returnee is settled. For example, I would expect if Shelli came back, James would be boot one, and if Steve/Shelli/Vanessa won HoH, they would be forced to take the triplet out then.

          I think Vanessa would like to see Jmac come in, and be HOH, because he has a kamikaze gene in him, that would drive him to attack them first. If Steve/Vanessa won the follow on HOH, they would take out James, and then they would focus on Austin or Liz (who ever did not get taken out first), then turn on Meg.

      • #7
        Well, Jmac is going to talk to Meg/James this morning and I think he can get them to flip. Vanessa is a gambler, so I'm hoping Meg/James go to her after and make a deal and I hope she flips too. With a returning juror, they could go 5 on 3 against The Coven, with Austin not playing in the next HOH. She has to see how hard they fought to keep Steve this week, which therefore puts her at the bottom of that alliance. Jmac has sworn he would be loyal to her, so teaming up with Meg/James would make them 2 pairs (plus whoever returns). Becky and Shelly and likely Steve would go with Vanessa/Jmac. If I'm Vanessa, I go with the full house rather than 3 of a kind.

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        • #8
          And one more thing: I was so angry at their glee about making them do rock, paper, scissors yesterday to determine the outcome. I thought it was disrespectful to the players as people, and to the game. And I wonder how they would felt had their own games been determined that way. I would like nothing more than to see today shake down this way: JMac gets Van/Meg/James to flip. They tell him about the r/p/s plan (Van mentioned it last night). Jmac goes to Steve and tells him, look, I know I'm going, but this is what those bastards tried to do to us for the live show. Tell him about the plan. Tell Steve, after they vote, let's stand up and do it so they know WE know. Since you're safe, you choose paper, I'll choose rock. Paper covers rock. But then, with Jmac knowing he's actually got those 3 votes, Jmac chooses scissors instead. Then Julie reads the votes: Jmac, you are safe. Camera zoom in on The Coven's faces. And....scene.

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          • Ellee1
            Ellee1 commented
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            Lol, BBhead. I think Steve and JMac should do this even if the votes don't get flipped but before voting begins. Right after the last nominee speech. Lol and might I add that the returning juror be the one that just left.

            The only other thing on BBAD that I saw worth mentioning was Liz saying that Steve would keep Vaustwins safe if he got HOH and that would mean one of Meg/James or Van would have to go up along with the returning juror. This was said in front of James and Meg.

            James? Meg? What are you thinking?
            Last edited by Ellee1; 08-27-2015, 10:27 AM.

          • nonobadfish
            nonobadfish commented
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            Head....I'm sorry I messed up your birthday week BB wish trend with my stupid Nono F8 Curse. Happy Birthday, by the way! And on topic, I totally agree with you about that Rock Paper Scissor thing. The twins don't know any better because they simply stumbled into the wrong game (they actually act like caricatures of bimbo blondes....so maybe they're not even real). But Austin, as a fan of the game, should know how horrid that would be....a slap in the face of great BB gamemanship. And Vanessa? How does deciding someone's fate by Rock Paper Scissors match with the way Vanessa's proclaims she plays the game. I don't see integrity in that move at all, dear Vanessa.


            The arrogance of that group.....being that cavalier with someone's chance to win half a million dollars.

          • TTOTambz2
            TTOTambz2 commented
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            Head.... I LOVE THAT! I was ticked last year about the Skittles & was shocked no one inside saw how disrespectful the whole thing was. Can you imagine Derek if his BB life had been determined by a skittle? lol

        • #9
          Good morning all- I do not think Vanessa will make it to F2, but I am very glad she is safe for another week. I hope everyone realizes that Austin and the twins have to be broken up. It really does not matter to me if Steve or Johnny leaves. I was a Johnny fan at the beginning, but I just do not understand his game play. Volunteer to go on block, throw POV, not try for HOH,,,does he think that will win the game? I still like Steve but do not like how quickly he turned on Vanessa. She is the one that pulled him into the game and the alliances not Austin. At the beginning, she was the only one that actually talked to him and treated him like an equal. I know, I know she has been rough on him every since she was on the block with Shelli. I do not blame her.

          I still like James and hope if he wins HOH, he nominates Austin and Liz. If one of them come off the block, he has to put up Julia. I have no idea who I want to come back from jury. I am leaning toward the one evicted tonight. I hope this next week is a good week in the BB house and Austin and Liz are on the block and Vanessa is safe. A girl can dream.

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          • #10
            Sad morning, everyone (well, actually it's a glad morning because Mr. Nono is at a conference....no, wait...I'm not glad that he's away. Let me start over: It's a glad morning because I don't have to go to the office today or tomorrow (since Mr. Nono is out of town). Yay for a double holiday! But it's a sad morning because it sure looks like JMac is going to fall victim to The Nono F8 Curse. I lost Dani D, My Brit, and Zach to this exact same curse, so I was going to have a JMac funeral today and take a photo for y'all so you could join in the sad fun. But since I'm having a lazy day, I decided it was easier to look back in photobucket and find my funeral photo that I posted in BBU for My Brit instead. This way I don't have to brush my hair. Economy of effort, you know.

            So join me, any and all who mourn for JMac....get your glass of wine, your tissue, and your tiara and toast my poor JMac whom I cursed by accident.




            (PSUColleen, if you see this....I remember when I took this photo, I wore that necklace just for you because you liked it from even longer ago...it's sort of my BBU necklace. I still have it....)
            Last edited by nonobadfish; 08-27-2015, 09:38 AM.

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            • Ladycop
              Ladycop commented
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              Oh NONO, I hope your curse is broken when JMac is evicted and then comes back and becomes HOH....then I want to see a pic of you in that necklace and a party hat!!!! Go JMac. Go NONO.

            • RUSSELL
              RUSSELL commented
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              Sad fun??? I can't seem to be able to find my tiara. Nowhere!!! O M G I CAN'T FIND IT!!! I am really starting to freak out here!!!

            • Ladycop
              Ladycop commented
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              Russell, go to Walmart and look in the kids birthday area....they have them for sale and then you will find your other one.

          • #11
            Good morning all. Is there any possibility that Vanessa is leading JMac on trying to trick James and Meg into voting for him thinking she is too? She has been trying to set them up all week and I could see her doing this to make them look bad to the twins and Austin.

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            • Tina182
              Tina182 commented
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              that is what i have been thinking too !! ( but i haven't watched much of the feeds on this - only read most of the posts here and twitter ) but that was the impression I got. And then she told Jmac it was James and megs idea for the RPS too ( i think) !!

            • aprilshowers
              aprilshowers commented
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              I think this is a very real possibility. She has been trying to set them up all week.

            • KeninVA
              KeninVA commented
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              I am sure she would like that, but I don't think, if Jmac has been listening to her, that she is leading him on. She has said time and again, for HER GAME, getting the twins on board was the safest path for her. And, she worked hard on Austin and the twins, to get them to let Steve go. Her problem was, every time she convinced either Austin or Liz, the other one would balk, and change their mind back (once it was Julia who brought Liz back over to the keep Steve side). Jmac is asking her to take an enormous risk, that the two of them can win, and that either Shelli or Becky come back and want to ride to F3 with them. That is a lot of unknowns, for an alliance born of desperation. And, Jmac does not know how well she has reintegrated herself to the Austwins. While she is on the bottom, there are still at least 2 people ahead of her right now, in their minds and hers (I think).

          • #12
            Wonder what the numbers are for BBAD. I know I can only take a few minutes of it. Watching them bowl or play pot bowl gets to be deadly dull. Mix in the nasal sea gull twin shreeks and it dials up to ear bleed painful. Also imagine live feed viewing is down since most people don't want to watch the porn cam show.

            ​I would like to understand the dynamics why John and James never became buddies and why John was drawn so closely to Clay and Shelli? I suspect the Jason snarkfest combined with the James prankfest made them unserious partners to John. We know Steve understandably didn't like the digs he received from them. It's too bad, since John hasn't helped himself with his choices and will probably compete to return tonight. I do enjoy his sense of humor, but it's another case (like Donny) of what coulda been, rather than what was.

            Leaves us with the unlikable six, amusing crude James, sweet useless Meg, and a returning guest to be named. Although WE see the logic of breaking up the triplets, I still think somebody will want to be the giant killer and take out Vanessa first. Now they can put a stake thru her heart with no worries that she can return. If she wins HOH I bet she'll go for the returning player with James or Meg as OK alternative. It's an easier. I think Steve wants to be the one to take out Vanessa. But watch Sasquatch and the Shrikes to keep rolling.

            Oh I do so hope I'm wrong, since I don't wanna see a triplets and their evil step-mother final foursome.

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            • Tjeffy
              Tjeffy commented
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              I think with John he viewed Clelli as the most important players in the game and was at the top in every alliance. He thought they would lead him to the end. If he had been making relationships with the other players he would have known that was not the case. All his eggs in one basket as the saying goes.

            • BettyBoo
              BettyBoo commented
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              I can see that, but his tears tell me there was more than just his head involved in the game choice. His heart was broken too.

            • Tjeffy
              Tjeffy commented
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              I agree that he had became closer to them for more than an alliances. Hence the tears. They were his only friends because he didn't try to make friends with anyone else but Jeff and Becky. Later he made friends with Steve. But he failed to trust anyone that would help him in the long run. Making him feel alone after his "friends" left.

          • #13

            Big Hugs to my BBU Buddies,

            So much to say, so little time. I've only had the time to read the great discussion posts lately... and have so wanted to comment on many of them. So I will quickly post one of the items that has been rattling around in my brain before I head out of the house.


            Yesterday TTOTambz said the following about Austin:
            ~~

            See I'm not so sure Austin tries to follow her.

            When I listened to a podcast and learned Austin hit on Jason first (for the entire week the feeds weren't up yet) then he hit on Jackie prior to moving on to Liz. There's also the flashback clip of Austin telling Jace he doesn't even think Liz is hot. Factor in Austin came into BB with a girlfriend and I think it's pretty clear he's there for the OVER exposure. In fact I've heard Austin talk more about screen time, DR sessions and popularity than ever hearing him talk about money or winning.

            My feelings are everything he does is for exposure on the air, screen time and trying to gain post game opportunities. If Liz goes out at 8 I doubt he'll want to leave 7th when he could get to F4 for example and only have to compete with a couple of people for screen time. He'll position it like now I have to win for Liz, but the reality is he's in love with the idea of fame more than he is with Liz IMHO
            ~~

            After Hickey-Gate, I kept thinking that LIZ will have a fit when she gets out and sees how Hickey-Gate was received and how Austin made like it was no big deal.

            Most normal women would see Hickey-Gate as very disrespectful and demeaning.

            When he placed upon her person... his physical mark of ...~~> your so hot it is your fault I cannot stop sucking on your neck <~~ he did not know that she would be open for further BB sex-escapades.

            So like TTOT said, he was already doing stuff for SHOW. Then with Finger-Gate he upped the ante. His BLOG was a reflection of ~~> I'm a romantic historian... I see the world through glasses of my choice.. I can spout nonsense and you will love it. See the Sound I make as I sing my own praises. <~~

            GACK

            He will prolly blame Judas for Finger-Gate.



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            • beckyd30
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              BettyBoo, don't forget the magnifying glass so you can find his nuts.

            • Ladycop
              Ladycop commented
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              Walleye, a lady has to do what she has to do. And rest assured I would never do anything like that to a fellow BBU fan. (As ladycop smiles, bats her eyes, and he hopes slowly backs away!). Haha

            • Walleye
              Walleye commented
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              Well Ladycop, I know better than to do anything to upset any of the ladies at BBU, and I certainly know about doing what you have to do. 😜

          • #14
            Originally posted by KeninVA View Post
            Morning all,

            Jmac is 90 percent out the door. While Vanessa is obviously thinking of the flip, I think her instinct is to still stay loyal, now, because of the threat of the return juror. She does not feel particularly safe, but has every reason to believe Vaustwins would preserve her, over Steve, in the event of being on the block together. Right now, keeping unity with Austwins, is, IMO, her best bet.
            I get Vanessa's loyalty because she's scared of who is returning, Ken. BUT if she flipped and got on board with Meg and James to keep JMac, she greatly increases her odds of the Returning Juror being on her side.

            JMac/Vanessa/James/Meg get Becky or Jackie for sure. They most likely get Shelli (she's going to go where JMac is and pretend she likes Vanessa). They might even get Steve (I can't imagine that Steve would want to side with the Austwins). Her only risk is if Julia or Liz won HoH tonight, but that would be 5 against 2 playing for HoH.

            I would think (but obviously Vanessa doesn't think like I do) that the Triple Vote Power of Austwins, combined with the loyalty of the three to each other, is the greatest danger to ANY of them winning the game. So don't they all need to take a shot to break that group up...and isn't this HoH their very best shot of breaking that group apart? Austin can't play HoH, so it's up to Liz or Julia to win it. Again, if Vanessa flips sides, that's 5 against 2 in the HoH. Not a slam dunk, but maybe the best chance they've had in a while.

            If Vanessa stays loyal to Austwins and she wins HoH tonight, then she's going to miss a perfect chance to get rid of one of them. I guess, if she wins, she could flip to the other side then and nominate the Austwins anyway, but that seems even more sneaky and disloyal than she likes to play.

            Actually, I most of all want to see this game without the Austwins holding all the power with their 3 votes. I think that's going to take Vanessa teaming up with James/Meg and either Steve or JMac. Maybe this is what needs to happen: Vanessa talks to James/Meg, tells them her fears of the Austwins' unbreakable bond, and the three of them decide whether to keep Steve or JMac. Then they pull in the one they are keeping and tell him the plan, gaining his loyalty. That would work with Steve or JMac. And I think the returning juror would probably go with the team of James/Meg/Vanessa/JMac or James/Meg/Vanessa/Steve.

            Then there will be 5 playing against Liz/Julia for HoH. If one of the 5 win, put Austin/Liz on the block (this wouldn't be hard for Vanessa because they will already know she flipped when she votes with James and Meg). If one of them wins PoV, put up Julia. If Julia wins PoV and takes Liz down, put up a pawn with Austin and Austin goes home. And we all do happy dances.

            (I know I'm dreaming and Vanessa won't do this, but I really do think she should.)

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            • KeninVA
              KeninVA commented
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              I just think, from her point of view (re-enforced some with what we get to see that she does not), James/Meg don't hold to deals, or evidence any loyalty to anyone but each other (look what a mistake Becky made). She can rationalize her issues with Austwins by knowing she represents a shield to them, and that they have come back together (and she can read them, she knew things were not right with them. I think she was so mad at Steve, because she could not read him).

              Teaming up with Meg/James/Jmac/returnee just puts her at the bottom or second to the bottom of those 5, depending on who the returnee is. Better the devil you know then the devil you don't. She obviously has some influence on Austin/Liz since they did not end up putting her on the block. Voting with them, and seeing how the return shakes out seems to be a much safer bet. If she flips, and once one of the Austwins is out, all the attention will turn to her. And, Jmac's comp record is not so good that you would assume he is going to pull out a key win when you need it, and that he won't end up stabbing her in the back (which he did tell us, he would stab anyone in the back but Steve, so her suspicion would seem to be justified, based on our superior knowledge).

          • #15
            As per the Vanessa - JMac situation I really did think all week she was leaning toward him until she went up to the Austwins and outed his entire plan along with her own to trap the Goblins. Ken nailed it earlier this week citing her saying "see I told you what his plans are, let's see if they will" since she's paranoid about the closeness specifically between James & Austin. I think she's playing with fire though b/c JMac has made some solid points to her regarding the triptwits needing to be split & HE has been the one telling her about the deals and plots for her demise lead by Austin not Steve (who continues to lie to her face). Unlike Ken I believe the trio will flip right back to taking out Vanessa if they feel any fear.

            It's ironic she would go into full on wide-eyed manic trips to find her "REASON" to oust people like Jeff, Audrey and Jason but when she has a team plotting her funeral THAT REASON apparently pales in comparison. SMH.

            I'm looking forward to JMac's discussion with the Goblins today as I suspect he'll be much more forthright. I think he believes they know all about the F5 deal with the Rockstars-Trio, but it's never truly been verified with the mice. Once James starts to hear of deals the other 5 have (SS) & of Austin telling JMac that James was his true target maybe the mice will finally wake up. James knows the trio need to be broken, but he's likely hoping it occurs at someone else's hands. At least JMac will give him a solid reason to do it.

            What might help push Vanessa the extra mile is if James were to tell her the reason they never got mad at Steve over Jackie's DE beheading is b/c he blamed Vanessa for the whole thing. Perhaps JMac can clarify & open a door for that conversation with her.

            As much as the mice appear to often be asleep at the wheel they were the ones who caught on this week that Vanessa was working both nominees to pull them to her (& get their jury vote) and Meg caught Steve/Vanessa studying. Though they aren't as boisterous about shifts in people's actions they've fully sensed the twits indifference toward them this week (especially James).

            Personally, I'm hoping for an about face with Steve leaving (via Head's suggestion which is BRILLIANT) but I want Jackie to return b/c she's level headed. She understands working as a team & the 4-some of the re-united Goblins and JMac IMO would be a more cohesive group with Jackie providing clarity, JMac: game knowledge/comp ability, James: brass balls and Meg: social skills. In the event JMac stays & Becky returns she's already demonstrated she'll flip the switch as has Shelli & I have a bad feeling both of those ladies would want to take Vanessa deep in the game even over the mice.

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            • TTOTambz2
              TTOTambz2 commented
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              How so?

              I get you always return to the Clelli nom but you can't really turn the Vanessa save into the Goblins turning on the group or not having loyalty.
              Becky tried to ram her personal wishes down their throat & never asked for their opinion which they tried to say from the start. Becky was the one who turned on them first & even during her HOH was telling Shelli she was safe as she was setting up her personal board of having Jackie/Meg/James on one side & JMac Shelli/Steve on the other. James on the other hand knew his group (after long discussions) need one of Clelli to go. I don't put that in the same category at all.

              Austin told Vanessa earlier this week they decided it was better not to target her during Liz's HOH b/c she's a shield for them. Not that she was part of their alliance. JMac is offering to work with her & has told her the truth about what occurred. So who's to say if Jackie came back he wouldn't make her his F2?

            • BBhead
              BBhead commented
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              Ken, I see Vanessa going with Mac as becoming a 3 rather than a 5. Shelli, Becky and Steve would align with them. Jackie would align with Meg/James but all would still be going after the Coven. If Liz or Julia doesn't win HOH, one of them is gone, and they are down to 2. Vanessa, Mac and Shelli/Becky/Steve would be an power house team in comps.

            • nonobadfish
              nonobadfish commented
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              I see the way Head sees it. There would be 5, but it would be two groups in that 5. Meg/James and JMac/Vanessa with the Returning Juror being closer to either Meg/James or JMac/Vanessa, depending on whom the returning juror is. That's got to be better than being the 4th of the Austwins because not only are is Vanessa 4th, the other 3 ahead of her are sisters and girlfriend/boyfriend (I can't believe I just typed that.)

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