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**sdkgeo** · 08-29-2015, 06:49 AM

Morning all.

**KeninVA** · 08-29-2015, 07:27 AM

Morning geo, and all who follow,

All depends on PoV today. I think Vanessa looks at this like it is an audition, and whoever screws her over, by not trying to win the PoV, will end up as the pawn.

She has split Austwins from James/Meg. The Austwins social game is very, very good. The girls and Austin have convo with James/Meg, tell them they totally believe them, and commiserate with how unfair all this is, and then go up and trash talk them. From what I have seen, the only person to be worried about is Austin. Liz/Julia will happily evict either James or Meg. Vanessa has lied to them, about exactly what James/Meg have said. She is able to get away with it now, since she worked so hard to establish her loyalty and credibility with them. It is why the character attacks were so alarming earlier. She was not lying earlier in the game, in order to establish that facade, for the later stages of the game.

Meanwhile, Meg is in denial about her own actions. Jmac accurately reported exactly what Meg told him to do, which was go trash Vanessa to Liz, in order to bolster the chances for a Liz backdoor of Vanessa. And earlier in the season, "She's gotta go" was practically a catch phrase. And, I can go back to the first 4 weeks of the season, when her favorite sport was making fun of all the not cool kids, with Jeff, James, Becky, Jason, and Jackie on the backyard couches, as they were all sequentially taken by the reaper. She is going to be bitter, but she is in a box of her own construction, being all in with James, and then the Austwins, without any understanding of the larger dynamics within the game.

If Jmac wins Veto, he is not going to use it. He can achieve his objective, without using veto, so why set up a situation to make Steve distrust him, and put himself in a potential 2 against 5 scenario next week. He believes for now, that he and Vanessa are on the same side (and they are), and would not cross her, after she followed through on not putting him up on the block (and she won't renom him either, with or without the PoV. He will either throw the veto, or win and not use it.

Vanessa has had a very interesting talk with Steve, lays out where they are, and makes the case that having Jmac AND James, on the other side of them, lets the two of them slide down the middle, for a few more cycles. She establishes with him that he does not want a F5 with Austwins and Students of Sound (SoS), due to the numbers involved.

Comp today is either "How Bad Do You Want It" or Stay or Fold (according to HG speculation). TTOTambz2 speculated on this yesterday. I of course, hope against hope, that it is something unexpected, since using the same comps, in the same week, is making the mantra, expect the unexpected, something of a cosmic joke line.

Nothing much to see today, until after PoV is played.

**TTOTambz2** · 08-29-2015, 08:14 AM

Good Morning Geo, Ken, NoNo, Mouseketeers & all who follow:

Sorry Ken.. I think I might be predicting the future.........................

While “Every Dog Has Their Day” I’m Hoping Today Is ALL About A Mouse!

I alluded in a post last night about a dream I had. Today I awoke thinking now I understand why the hamsters dream so much about BB in the house, lol. Basically I’d been on a 2 day bender writing NBA articles & was so over tired I guess my sub conscious was warped thinking about James bad luck turn Thursday night.

The Dream:
Anyway, my dream was the POV comp was How Bad Do You Want It and JAMES WON & the house basically went into full on melt down afterward.

In my dream the twins refused to take any punishments & Austin refused the Mohawk haircut (btw if this comes true, James looks adorable with a Mohawk),

Also, Meg took some punishments but not enough to win & she was handcuffed to Vanessa (which I can’t even hold back giggling thinking how crazy that would make Vanessa). James also was wearing a cat costume & he had selected some envelope with questions on it.

And though it’s vague (i.e. I don’t recall everything in my dream) Vanessa took can’t play next POV punishment but lost to James b/c she also took a call from home.

As dreams are want to do the next part of my dream flashed forward to Meg and JMac sitting on the block Thursday (which won’t happen as Vanessa said she won’t risk JMac going) and James stood up in his cat costume unzipped the back with his tail (I wish I could describe how detailed this was in my dream ) pulled out the envelope with the big question mark on it & removed both Meg/JMac & put Austin & Liz in their place. Austin ran at James & starting to choke him and I woke up!

Suffice to say I think I’m a little too invested in keeping James in the house LOL.

Reality:
It’s not inconceivable today’s POV could be HBDYWI b/c they shut down the backyard late last night & if it was the card POV it would take a long time to set up (one would think). And it’s not a stretch the twins wouldn’t take punishments or that Vanessa would blow a gasket over their selfishness.

I think the question mark envelope came courtesy of me thinking about BBCan before I went to sleep when Sarah/Britt got the special POV that removed both nominees : Britt replaced both noms to take out a big player. While it’s unlikely I can’t help grinning thinking how happy that would make so many fans since that is exactly who James would target & the best current gamer Vanessa would be safe.

I do wonder who Vanessa would put up as her rants over the past 24 hours have indicated JMac (to the twits only) & yesterday it’s been her mentioning either Julia or Steve. Her reasoning for Julia was to have someone weak beside Meg if James came down.

She tried to lure an opinion out of Steve asking if she should take a shot at a target (meaning Liztin) but Steve didn’t bite. Given she has F2’s either boldly stated or “ride or die” like JMac with everyone remaining except Liz & the Goblins I think she might actually put up Liz as this would be her opportunity to break the trio.

Hearing her speech re the King/Queen reference I did wonder if in the back of her mind she’s thinking if James does come down whether she’d take a shot at Liz now. Couple that with her convo with Austin about their F4 & it is a possibility.

Today Vanessa has showcased her dislike for Meg & also shown us she needs to rid the house of pawns like Meg as she’ll use “the jury hates me” as part of her strategy to ensure she gets selected by the chooser of F2. Maybe I’m still dreaming, but something tells me Vanessa hasn’t let go of the treason by the Hairy Twits or Steve & at this point is open to working with straight forward people like JMac & James. We should keep an eye on what she says especially after veto for hints. Obviously if James wins she’ll go into melt down mode, but will she gun for Meg or try to gain their loyalty by also saving Meg via a Liz nomination?

If (scratch that) WHEN James wins POV she’ll be in a bad situation regardless because either side will feel compelled to take out a big target at this stage in the game, especially if Van put up one of the Rock Stars we all know the twits would shift back to the Goblins.

One other interesting thing was a convo between Vaustins where she shared JMac told her the audience response was very strong to him working with her b/c she is loved outside?????????????????????? I see Lexie also wrote about it so JMac must have told her. THIS means JMac is well aware by the pin I heard drop when he said he wasn’t targeting Van but Meg that he did catch that wasn’t a popular idea!

The twits were predictable today & I found myself glad I’m reading updates instead of seeing their nastiness. The fact Austin is still obsessing about crowd response is also telling.

From a game perspective Vanessa is well ahead of literally everyone, but a James POV today will really shake things up. So, I’ll continue to wish for that first & then hope Vanessa decides NOW is the time to cut the trio to a duo. Though I know many want Austin out, I would think they recognize Liz is the crucial cut b/c she’s the bond to both couples & she’s the best competitor.

James told Meg if he wins POV he’s going to create a big scene running around saying oh you messed up big time, you better hope I don’t win HOH this week. Can you just imagine the faces of the trio & Vanessa?

JMac has been really nice to James & Steve wants Meg out more than James so I do think there is a way for James to stay especially if Vanessca keeps on with her current hate for Meg . Ideally, I want James to win, so he’s guaranteed safety.

It's very encouraging to read Ken's post & know Vanessa is still thinking about James in the game (as I alluded to above re: Vanessa's ire of Meg) and it does make sense for her to consider it. Though I think JMac and James might slice her throat once they got out Austin/Liz.

And, with that I’m off to get some NBA articles finished. Have a great day all & for you fans of the kitty cat hat wearing, entertaining mouse let’s all send our positive vibes to him to win that POV! Besides then I get to say my dream became a reality .. wait a minute, do I sound like Audrey? (just kidding, lol)

**crochet145** · 08-29-2015, 08:33 AM

You inadvertently put the updates date at August 289, so it's not at the top of the page. Thought you might want to change that. :-)

**Lynette** · 08-29-2015, 09:17 AM

Good morning all,

If James or Meg (cough, cough) win POV, I'm not so sure a Steve replacement will still send one of the mice home. Austwins could save Meg/James and send Steve home weakening Vanessa.

**TTOTambz2** · 08-29-2015, 09:25 AM

My rant of the day..................

I've been annoyed about a couple things this season ... one being the bribe strategy Vanessa is using. But another thing that is bugging me is the pretentiousness of the Twits.

Thursday night (while discussing the gambling bribe) Austin said to Vanessa it's not like you, the twits or I NEED the money. At first I thought he meant "we'll be okay either way", but then it kept resonating with me. Vanessa has told several people she doesn't need the money. She listed on google as being worth $4M. There are 2 schools of thought on this: some believe she is broke & others she just wants the title/exposure for her DJ career.

Vanessa also told the twits you can't have James at the end b/c he would win since he has a daughter. This also stayed with me as Vanessa felt bad about the Jason boot knowing he really needs the money & was robbed of jury (which is substantially more than if you don't make jury). As callus as she's played, there are times her humane side seeps out. It was definitely evident over the Jason boot as well as after she spoke to Goblins & Meg broke down. While she may have said one thing to the twits, alone in the HOHR she sat on the bed with her head down, taking deep breaths and looking about to cry. Obviously she knows James/Meg are good people and although I question some of her game methods I do believe she is a good person Several people who left have had nothing but kind things to say about her whereas they point to Clelli's fakeness.

I digress............... anyway the twins were going on their usual mean girl rant with yesterday's victim being Meg & how much they hate her, how fake she is & how New York she is (say what???) when one says "and she never washes dishes, or vacuums or cleans" (of note: Meg vacuumed this week during lock down b/c James teased her vacuuming style). The twins carried on saying how entitled Meg is fake etc & it's disgusting-uh" Then the one talking about the cleaning said well we always had a maid to do ours, but whatever-uh.

THAT annoyed the F out of me and summed up why this season can be trying for so many of us. Yes Vanessa plays dirty BUT AT LEAST SHE'S PLAYING! Austin is only there for screen time and the twins are entitled little biatches who've grown up with maids and silver spoons.

Reading how they were trash talking Meg & James & saying they wouldn't even be liked outside highlights how far away from reality they are as their only post BB claim (if they lose) will be Liz's soft core porn shows, sea gull screeches & mean girl attitudes.

I do hope James finds a way to stay & I'd rather have non-game playing Meg stay b/c I simply like her better. But I also came to the conclusion I want ANYONE but the twins to win this game and that includes 2nd place. Ideally I don't even want either to get to third place as that player ultimately gets included in much of the post season interviews.

Okay............... rant over

**BettyBoo** · 08-29-2015, 09:28 AM

I'm at the point where I gave up on the house last year with Derrick. The killer's staring you right in the face, but you all still get in the van for the last ride. Yeah, go ahead and let him put you thru the wood chipper. If nobody is brave enough to eliminate Vanessa in the DE next week, then they deserve to have their remains fed to the hogs.

Guess the shows I was watching instead of BBAD yesterday. Just can't stand seeing so much stupid.

Come on, James, you're our last hope. Win the POV and take her down next week. Then unite with Steve and Johnny (finally) to clear the House of the rest of the evil and give us a game ending we can cheer, not groan about.

**TTOTambz2** · 08-29-2015, 09:30 AM

Bad sign for Meg today.................. she has been in pain all night, her knee is really acting up and she's been to DR for meds and still in pain. She says she might not even be able to play POV today. Given it was all 3 Austwins turn to do Have Not I do find it pretty evil of Vanessa to put Meg in there again given her real physical disability. Not only did she have recent knee surgery, but she suffers from very painful arthritis. Everyone knows in the house how it messed her up last time. I understand the mindset but it truly was a cruel move.

Imagine if they didn't give Vanessa her meds for 3 days & she had to suffer - in essence it's a similar situation IMO.

Anyway, it's not like Meg is great at comps anyway, but this is only making matters worse as she hasn't slept at all due to the pain & James hasn't slept much either as he is worried about her & catering to her needs (such a cute little mouse, our James).

**Ellee1** · 08-29-2015, 09:35 AM

Vanessa said that they won't even see it coming. Any chance the 'they' is the Austwins? V/S/JM couldn't breathe a word of it and are probably the only three that could keep quiet until after the VETO to see who won it. Maybe it's one of the Austwins that is the true target.

**TTOTambz2** · 08-29-2015, 09:58 AM

Pondering..... if the POV is How Bad Do You Want It............... I wonder if Meg would take every single punishment & then hand the POV to James at the POV ceremony. Boy would that ever shake things up! I wish I was in the house b/c they are so loyal to each other & Meg knows if James goes her game is sunk anyway. So why not take every single punishment, let him win a trip & the money he lost to Becky to keep noms the same & then let Meg work that magic. It would make for GREAT TV & Mouseketeers would LOVE her for a move like that!

**SmilemakerRDH** · 08-29-2015, 10:00 AM

POV can't be How Bad Do You Want It because the have not room is being used. They always have a punishment of 24 hr confinement in the have not room with that comp. and I have to wonder if they will do the Stay/Fold comp this year since there is a professional poker player in the house, they HAVE to know that's gonna cause an uproar with the fans right?

**Pukahs** · 08-29-2015, 10:52 AM

For the past few weeks, one song has been in my head every time any one mentions Vanessa. I think her theme song in BB is "For What It's Worth", the late 60's-early 70's song by the Buffalo Springfield. Now to try to get that song out of my head.

"It's time we stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down? "

Doesn't matter if it is real or fantasy, it is mostly in her mind. Conspiracy theorists in many different areas could learn from Vanessa.

Now back to our regular discussions

**belle1** · 08-29-2015, 11:09 AM

I think it is clear that Vanessa's primary target is Meg. She needs to get the twins on board to vote her out. I expect to see a fight orchestrated between Meg and the twins late Wednesday or Thursday. If Meg wins veto , does Vanessa take the opportunity to get Liz out. She would have the votes to do this.

**aprilshowers** · 08-29-2015, 11:25 AM

I really hope the Veto today is not Hold them Fold them. I hate that game since they know how to work it so they get the results they want. I hope they have retired it.

Hoping for James POV win today. Really wish Vanessa would make a big move and oust one of the triplets. But it can't be her because the twits keep reminding us, she will lose 3 jury votes.

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