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  • Live Feed Discussion-August 30

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  • #2
    Morning all. What's the over/under on the how many times the renom will change in the next 24+ hours?

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    • KeninVA
      KeninVA commented
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      I am 90 percent sure, it will be Julia, and will stick. Vanessa wants Meg out, wanted her out from the start of the week (James was never her target, and the events of yesterday actually demonstrated why putting them up together was the best course of action. James cannot save Meg).

  • #3
    Morning geo, and all who follow,

    James pulls out a big save, making the Mousekateers of BBU jump for joy. Vanessa stresses over the renom, and the loss of leverage with James that actually campaigning to save him would have represented, and then drinks wine, calms down, and starts playing the game again.

    After the two aces she got dealt on Thursday night, she got the worst possible card, at the river (a texas Hold Em term for the last card turned over in a round), when James won PoV, giving himself safety. This lowers the leverage she might have gained, by helping to keep him, over Meg. After initial discussion with the Austwins and Steve/Jmac, she is feeling stuck, since her ideal renom, Julia, is reluctant to go up. What I find fascinating is that Julia is not actually nervous about the vote; it is a fear of public speaking, and having to make an eviction plea on Thursday night driving most of her fear.

    Vanessa is playing the Jmac distrust to the hilt. I believe it is only 20 percent real distrust, since she can understand Jmac’s incentives, and knows he has no reason to move against her this week, and Meg being removed by someone else’s hand, gives him leverage with James. All the discussion with Austin about putting Jmac up, and reasons to do it, is 80 percent show. She is following a well understood debate strategy, which is to articulate all of the reasons your opponents’ proposition makes sense, in order to then take them apart, one by one, demonstrating that you understand the opposing point of view, but that your position is superior. For the bibliophiles, I recommend reading John Stuart Mill’s political essays, as a prime example of this technique in argument.

    Her process is to also weigh every angle, and calculate all the odds, and despite some of the turbulence in her relationship with Austin, he is still her best sounding board, and gamer. These discussions are also important, since as the end game nears, the summer is also coming to an end, and she is gently prodding Austin to come back to reality, and remember that he gave up a lot to enter the house, and to throw away the chance at half a million dollars, on a romantic notion, in the confines of the BB house, is the height of insanity. She is making inroads with him, and they leave the conversation, making a plan to approach James together, with a deal that does not involve the twins.

    In the event, by evening’s end (or night’s end for those of us who don’t live in “True Blood’s” world) Julia has agreed to go on the block, as the best move for scamper squad, Vanessa has gotten her ideal renom to agree to go up gracefully, and Meg’s fate will be sealed, and Vanessa’s original target (and Jmac’s) going into the week, will exit the house on Thursday. James will be checked, in that he will have a multiplicity of targets, as the vote out will be 4-1, and he can either make a kamikaze run at Vanessa, if he is the DE HoH, or he can listen to Jmac, and repoint himself at Austin.

    In the discussion with James, Vanessa told him straight up, she expects to go up, and pointed him gently at Steve. In the rush of DE, it is very possible, should he be the HoH (a low probability event), he shoots at Vanessa with Steve as the pawn, and he will miss. I believe Jmac would actually preserve Vanessa over Steve, and I am sure the Austwins would.

    The things to watch today, will be the discussion between Julia and Vanessa, continued discussions between James/Meg and James/Jmac, and Austin working James, and Austin and Vanessa approaching James for a deal.

    ETA: A small addendum, Steve was instrumental in getting Julia to see reason, calm her fears, and get her to agree to go up, during a discussion between the Twins, and himself, in the bathroom area last night.

    Going forward, given James threats and posturing earlier, I expect that for anyone but Jmac as DE HoH, James will be the target, giving Steve and Vanessa what they really want, which is Jmac, themselves, and the Austwins at F6, evening up the fight (with a slight edge to Vanessa/Steve/Jmac).
    Last edited by KeninVA; 08-30-2015, 08:02 AM.

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    • KeninVA
      KeninVA commented
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      A second small addendum, Steve will strike at Liz/Austin if he is the next HoH. Lucky for him it will be a double.

    • MrsVee
      MrsVee commented
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      KeninVA I know Vanessa has a f2 with AUstin do you think she really wants him with her in the end? I can't imagine why?

  • #4
    Good morning all- Was not able to watch the feeds any yesterday so am way behind. Congratulations James' fans. I know how happy you are. You are as happy as I was last week.

    I have to share a little of my day with all of you. I have a first cousin visiting from California this week. I had the family over yesterday, a total of 23 people. I would run to my bedroom and check to see if the POV was over. I was beginning to think it would not end, but finally it did. I knew it would be impolite to get on the computer to get my addiction and I was having a hard time. I noticed that my daughter-in-law was going out to her car a lot and finally asked her if she was ok. She is a James fan and she was just checking on the POV. I laughed because I did not know she was as addicted as I am. Later that night, my niece asked me if I knew who was nominated this week and of course I did. I told her the POV was over. She asked who won and after making sure she really wanted to know, I shared the information. She jumped up and down, she is a James fan,

    I know this is not about the live feeds but knew you all would understand what a stressful day I had yesterday.

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    • Ladycop
      Ladycop commented
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      My hubby came to terms with that when I retired and approach him about my getting the feeds, and then once again when I told him I wanted to help do LFUs. To my relief, since he usually makes fun of me when I am watching BB, he was very supportive on both fronts. Now I sit in my chair with my earplugs in listening and transcribing (when I can) and he will be talking to me and then realize that I am not listening. Oh well, BB is a good addiction and I have so many ''cool'' friends on here that I can talk to about this game. My son, retired military, has picked up my love of the game, at least until this year as he can't stand Austwits, but that was our 3x a week phone call. Now that he is growing weary of it his wife has just started to watch and she wants him to continue until the end of the season.....see you can pass insanity down!

    • BBhead
      BBhead commented
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      Tuesday will be my 25th wedding anniversary. My husband is well aware that during BBUS, BBCAN and during Leafs hockey games, life is on hold, and has been since Season 1. He is the one who hooked a laptop up to a large screen tv for me years ago. He also sometimes watches the feeds as well, and records the shows. We have a Veto hoodie and an HOH hoodie that we both wear periodically. Even my 19 year daughter with autism has watched every season and can name almost all of the players of every season if I showed her a picture, and can remember easily events that made her laugh or feel sad (Evel with the pots and pans, Zach streaking S8, or her favorites getting evicted). Hubby has been an enabler and supports my addiction for the most part. In my best Sister Sledge voice ''WE are BB family'' LOL

    • Lynette
      Lynette commented
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      Funny stories. I'm sure each of us has a story or two to tell! I'm now sitting and reading and watching golf with my dad. Big Brother commercial just comes on for tonight's show. My dad says ''You ever watch that Big Brother?'' OMG.....apparently I am deep in the closet!😎

  • #5
    Vanessa will probably still win this thing and James will probably follow Meg next week but it was still very fun to watch Vanessa's melt down after she has talked so much about other people being emotional and actually using it against Meg last week when she broke down after the Veto.

    They still do not realize that they are walking into a DE this week. If Vanessa gets through the double then I think she goes all the way. I am beginning to think Austin is playing the same game Vanessa is just not being as manic about it. He has himself setup with Vanessa and is still keeping James in his pocket in case James ends up in power. Vanessa let him know yesterday that she still does not trust him. When Steve came up as a possible replacement re-nom she questioned if she could really trust them not to flip and vote Steve out. Austin was also pushing gently for JMac to go up and out (because he knows that is best for his game) and Vanessa continued to push back. By Vanessa putting up Julia (even though she agreed) must throw up some red flags that Vanessa may be working with JMac and Steve.

    James stays this week. He probably doesn't win but as long as you are in the house there is a chance you move forward. There is no chance from Jury.

    And I still do not understand why oh why these HG have let the triplets get this far.

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    • KeninVA
      KeninVA commented
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      Circumstance, and competition wins, and Austins awesome social game. Vanessa scooped them up, and brought them to Shelli/Clay and Austin to help keep safe. Steve got brought in. James was emotional, and got rid of Shelli/Clay, rather than forgiving them, and letting them switch back to ADC to take out SS. Then Becky got emotional, and made a huge error in trying to use Shelli as a pawn, while also wanting to get Vanessa out.

      Then Liz and Austin and Vanessa had back to back HoH's, and rather than making emotional decisions over perceived betrayals between them, they held off, held together, and now we are in F8, headed to Final 7, and the majority of the house will be pointed at taking James out in the F7 HoH. And that is how we are likely to get to F6 with Austwins still in the game.

    • TTOTambz2
      TTOTambz2 commented
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      Ken the only people who benefit by keeping the trio together are themselves!

      I wrote a more detailed version below but why would Austin target James over JM/Steve? & he'll try to leverage the twins. to do same
      JMac is solid on Liztin noms Thursday & Steve told Live Feeders he is targeting them.

      Odds are one of Steve, JMac or Liz win DE HOH & the only one of those that worries me is Liz b/c she might not listen to Austin who'll try to direct her toward JM/Steve.

    • aprilshowers
      aprilshowers commented
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      Ken, I wasn't talking about making emotional decisions. I was talking about her breakdown yesterday when she became emotional after she used Meg being emotional to target her. I just found humor in it.

      I just think we need to watch Austin. He may end up sitting in one of those final chairs.

  • #6
    Hi everyone. I'm glad James is safe. I think, Vanessa was hoping to win POV to save James and prove her loyalty to him by either pulling him down or campaigning to save him. James winning has taken that bargaining chip from her, but the end result is still the same, he is safe. She isn't very sure she is safe with him going forward, which she would have been if she had saved him.
    I hate to say this but James' game is better without Meg in it. He will have more clarity. Without Meg, He gets to keep his social aspect without losing the game aspect.


    I want to see James turned to targeting the Austwins that way we can have the hope that one of those three are going to jury during the DE barring a HoH win by them.


    I am really liking the reconfiguration of the house. Steve, JMac, and Vanessa are actively set to evict one of the Austwins come DE, I think Vanessa wants Liz out first, which is the most ideal. They just need James to see the board the same way. Going forward, the only goat left would be Julia. Just the hope of being rid of one of the trios, is making me happy and hopeful for a good wrap up to a very fun season of BB. I hope Steve and Vanessa can feed Liz and Austin wrong info for the DE. I don't want either of those two winning that crucial HoH, and murking up the plans. It would be a huge blindside, but it will be over in minutes with us free of one of them. How glorious would it be?

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    • #7
      After the Power of Veto competition yesterday the lyrics to the song I referred to yesterday is even more pertinent -

      For What It's Worth There's something happening here
      What it is ain't exactly clear
      There's a man with a gun over there
      Telling me I got to beware

      I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
      Everybody look what's going down

      There's battle lines being drawn
      Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
      Young people speaking their minds
      Getting so much resistance from behind

      It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
      Everybody look what's going down

      What a field-day for the heat
      A thousand people in the street
      Singing songs and carrying signs
      Mostly say, hooray for our side

      It's s time we stop, hey, what's that sound
      Everybody look what's going down

      Paranoia strikes deep
      Into your life it will creep
      It starts when you're always afraid
      You step out of line, the man come and take you away

      We better stop, hey, what's that sound
      Everybody look what's going down
      Stop, hey, what's that sound
      Everybody look what's going down
      Stop, now, what's that sound
      Everybody look what's going down
      Stop, children, what's that sound
      Everybody look what's going down


      Sounds like the Big Brother house to me. Especially now

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      • Blogzie
        Blogzie commented
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        Livzee, These days chilling involves different components. It's more like heating pads and Advil, but still chilling nonetheless.

      • MrsVee
        MrsVee commented
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        Love that song it should be BB theme song

      • Livzee
        Livzee commented
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        That kind of chill in a memory for sure

    • #8
      Good Morning, Geo, Ken, Luanne, All who follow AND HAPPY Mouseketeers!

      Obviously, I'm thrilled James won and though I love Meg I actually believe his options become greater in the house without her. Great post by Ken this morning, but as typical of this season I actually disagree on a couple of things mostly Vanessa related & James being a target for most in DE.

      Here's how I see the house's affinity list, DE target & where James falls within their circle after Thurs:

      JMac:
      He already wants to pull James in with Steve/Vanessa. Though I'm not someone who has ever read JM well I do believe he will work with V/S F3, however I think he would cut Vanessa possibly prior to James sensing the Vanessa/Steve deal. With Meg gone I actually expect these 2 to get much closer and maybe NoNo & I could end up with a dream F2!

      Finally got some clarification on the what JM heard Thursday outside: he says the reason he knew to go along with V/S over Trits was because he heard audience commentary during the GB Msgs. Now that makes sense since we know how popular the triplets are. They didn't show Goblin GB's so he didn't get any feed back on them. His target going into Thurs is Liztin!

      Steve:
      As Ken highlighted Steve may have done the best work in the house tonight working all sides & AGAIN I'll point out his social nervousness is completely gone I think he is a shy kid, but he really played up his awkwardness until he won the first DE HOH & he tends to be one of the better pressure players. He also likes the idea of pulling in James (and wanted Meg out if noms had remained J/M). Though he wouldn't comment to JM about going straight at Liztin he has said exactly that to the live feeders.

      Steve is the only hamster to correctly predict the upcoming DE. If they get any indication via the early backyard lock down watch for him/JMac to drill dates as the HOH comp will likely be Before/After so they'll be gunning for it. The DE will only add credence to targeting Liztin to break up the triplets.

      Twins:
      A DE HOH Twits win is the most dangerous for James. My gut tells me it will be a Rock Star HOH win with Liz targeted. Austin will be the consolation if Liz gets off the block. Once that occurs (oh pretty please) Austin/Julia's target will be squarely on revenging that hit. AND in the event Liz wins I think Austin will get in her ear to separate JM & Steve as the last couple (in his eyes) remaining in the house. But James would be the renom & that would likely end his game. So, Mouseketeers we need anything BUT a Twit DE HOH.

      Austin:
      I didn't see the convo Van/Austin had re making a F3 with James so I'd love to know more, but it stands to reason Austin won't target James before JMac or Steve (& possibly even Vanessa though she's pulled him back in quite well).

      Vanessa:
      I had always thought Vanessa wanted 2 females at the end but she'll only have Julia as an option as it's likely Liz will be the first target (if they're smart). It's hard to tell who Vanessa's true F2 is:
      *Said she wanted an all girl final
      * First F2 was made with Austin
      * Also has F2's with Steve/Julia/JMac
      * Will likely try to make a F2 with James

      Not easy to know who Vanessa ideally wants other than Julia. Maybe she'll push for a James, Julia F3 as she could win either comp & might think she'd have the best chance against those 2 players. She has so many deals it's hard to say, but I do think she will be open to whoever is adamant about forging that F2 deal with her. To that end, it would behoove James to cement a F2 with her especially since the Goblins believe it is a bitter jury. For Vanessa it would help her as she'd have all 3 of the Austwins votes already in jury & might believe she'd also have Shelli's vote over James.

      Bottom line, with Meg leaving, James not known for his date knowledge & those types of games on the horizon coupled with the type of undying loyalty he'll give his #1 ally he becomes a very intriguing player for others to pull in.

      The other factor is jury management which is why Van/Austin likely see the merits of bringing in James who is alone & who'll they'll have 3 votes against in jury if they end up in F2 with him. Plus they'd have a great shot at taking the final HOH parts 1 & 2 (though he'd give the endurance a go he'd likely not do well in the 2nd part).

      I"ll hope for a Rock Star DE HOH (but sure would enjoy seeing Steve be the one to put up Liztin) and the fire works that would incur afterward. James & Vanessa would actually benefit the most from this happening on Thursday as they could fade into the middle & watch the 2 boys go after Austin & Julia. If one of Liztin leaves Thursday I expect Vanessa will throw the 2nd HOH unless she's worried about James.

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      • TTOTambz2
        TTOTambz2 commented
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        Thanks Ken,

        I still think Austin wants to bro up with James & I don't believe he will willingly put him up or take him out. I honestly think for all the 'talk' that's gone out about James not being trustworthy by Vanessa everyone but the twins will want him on their side. Steve likely only for the short term.

        AND did you notice this morning when Vanessa said 'Meg lies, James tells the truth!' to Austin. THAT statement was very telling. I think her melt down wasn't b/c she couldn't get James out or b/c she had to renom (though part of it) I agree with the earlier post (might have been you Ken) that she wanted to save him to gain his trust.

      • KeninVA
        KeninVA commented
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        TTOTambz2, another point of clarification. I think there are a dozen ways that Vanessa's game comes to an end. The terrible beauty of this season is that all there are enough gamer's left or have been created, that the house if is still full of them, but they are all flawed, in one way or another. It actually contrasts nicely to S16, since, for me, Derrick played the perfect game, and was really the most perfect player (from a game standpoint, not TV) that I have ever seen.

        So, I still see 8 people left, Meg is out, but it is still entirely possible for all seven of the remaining to end up in F2, with only Julia unable to win, unless she goes on a streak to get to the end. Six potential winners in the final 8 is a pretty open game.

        And..... this season has been game drama filled from week one, until now, with only Liz's HoH post veto ceremony period quiet. Even post veto ceremony on Austin's last HoH had Vanessa and the Austwin's rebuilding fences, Vanessa's fight to save Jmac, and the last minute attempted vote flip.

        This week, when Julia goes up, is going to filled with Julia angst, Meg actually campaigning for the first time ever, and tons of scheming in the battle for James heart and mind, in prep for the next cycle.

        I love this cast and season.

      • PipelinersWife
        PipelinersWife commented
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        I think Vanessa would like to play with James but has said if he gets to F2 he may win because of the kid angle. I think one of her true statements is she respects him, she knows he's been loyal to his people but hers hasn't been to her, and truly wishes they could/would have teamed up early with information she has now.

    • #9
      Is there not a chance that Julia goes over Meg? Like I mentioned late last night, I don't want the last remaining females to be the twins and Vanessa. At least if it is and if everything goes as plan, it won't be for that long considering that it is a DE.

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      • TTOTambz2
        TTOTambz2 commented
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        I doubt it because we already know Liztin vote to keep her. James will vote for Meg.

        And there is solid strategy behind Steve/JMac voting to keep Julia:

        First: it sets them up perfectly to target Liztin in a DE without them expecting it (exactly the way Steve did Jackie/Meg)

        Second: it allows them to convince Austwins they are solid with them (in case one wins DE HOH)

        Third: it opens James up to work with the others as a solo

        The primary reason being the first.

      • KeninVA
        KeninVA commented
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        I disagree a little with TT, quelle surprise! I think Steve's primary motivation is the sneak attack, I think Jmac's primary motivation is that he knows he needs Meg out of the way to single up James, to pull him in.

    • #10
      Out of the lurker shadows again...Any chance Austin throws a hinky vote, blames Steve, to get Julia out and eliminate trust between Steve and Vanessa?

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      • farmergurl
        farmergurl commented
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        In a perfect BB world, James/Jmac/Steve vote Julia, Austin assumes Steve votes Meg, throws hinky vote, outcome is four votes-Julia out chaos reigns.
        Last edited by farmergurl; 08-30-2015, 11:56 AM. Reason: oops my bad, spelling.

      • KeninVA
        KeninVA commented
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        I think, this late in the game, there are two few votes, and they know each other too well, to successfully pulll it off. Andy got away with it (sort of) in his season, because it was a double. By the time Elissa was walking out the door, I think McCrae realized he made a mistake.

      • herms is here
        herms is here commented
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        Framework I like your thinking. People complain about Meg, but what exactly has Julia done except ride on the coattails of Liz and Austin. As you can tell I am an avid Meg fan.

    • #11
      As much as I want Meg to be saved, it is best for James if she goes to jury Thursday night. He knows this and conceded as much to Vanessa last night. Now the interesting piece for me is who does James align with, Austin or JMac. He has history with Austin but knows that the Austwins betrayed him and Meg and also knows Austin will protect the twins over him. As for JMac, he told Meg that he wished they had pulled him in earlier in the game but now it is to late because he is damaged goods because he is a big target.

      I want him to choose JMac because they are my favorites and I don't like the Austwins. Both men have similar traits and both see themselves as lone wolves in the game. These two can be the force that upsets Vanessa's apple cart .

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      • Tjeffy
        Tjeffy commented
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        I think that it depends on who wins the next two HOH's. If John or Steve wins the DE HOH and they do not target James he will get a little more comfortable with John. Then if James wins the 2nd HOH and keeps John safe it brings them even closer. I think that John wants James in the F4 on his side because he thinks that Steve and Vanessa will probably take each other.

      • TTOTambz2
        TTOTambz2 commented
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        I agree Belle .. as per above.

        I actually think James will begin playing an even more social role if that is possible. James is the type of player who holds his cards to his chest (except with Meg). He opened up the Hairy Twits, but they know Austin screwed him b/c Vanessa already told him FOUR people came up to tell me you were down there talking about me. James will assume that the trio & Steve.

        Since Steve doesn't give information he only takes it, so that combo doesn't work to go deep. JMac is more likely to share now & I think he'll be aggressive pulling in James.

        When Austin/Vanessa approach him about a F3 THAT will be interesting b/c it will show James how close those 2 are. Although he'll say yes he likely won't trust it.

        Suffice to say, I think we'll see A LOT more pool being played late night between JJMacCats

    • #12
      Things I think about Vanessa:
      1. She was all in for an all-girl final, but she wants Meg out, putting girls in the minority.
      2. She wanted the support of LGBT house members, but tossed one out and helped evict another.
      3. Even if she wins I think sadly she hasn't enjoyed the experience since was just a job to her.

      I kinda feel sorry for her since nothing seems to bring her joy. She accomplishes goals, by racing thru college and becoming a winning card shark, but where's the happiness in anything she does. No wonder she looks miserable all the time. Meg for all her failures, at least has the capacity to have fun and enjoy the experience.

      Maybe at some point, Vanessa will stop and smell the roses. Or, better yet, take that ugly A$$ green cap off and let her brain cool.

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      • farmergurl
        farmergurl commented
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        BettyBoo, I have thought this for a while too. She constantly fishes for validation in spite of her overblown ego. Even in her personal relationship, she worries her partner is still there for her. Very sad.

      • misscmm
        misscmm commented
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        Don't forget V''s marriage to her soulmate who she divorced when he had cancer (not why) (and eventually passed away). Her life seems to be a hard core race (manic) to fight the always there depression.. she's a mess.

    • #13
      Vanessa is gathering an army of F2 minions (in her mind): Austin, Steve, JMac, Julia, and soon to be James. Once Meg is out, I expect her to start pointing people to Liz as the next target. I believe her real F2 is Julia.

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      • BBhead
        BBhead commented
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        Meg will go this week. Frees up James. Then I expect Vanessa to point whoever wins HOH at Liz. Frees up Austin. Ultimately, she will want to point James at Austin, point Austin at James, point Steve at Jmac and Jmac at Steve which leaves her and Julia. I see her as an instructor at a shooting range.

    • #14
      Once Julia is on the block, that gives 3 days for Vanessa paranoia to kick in. And we all know with her anything is possible! If the right person says the right thing at the right time...she could switch her target to Julia and team up with James and Meg and then they would be 5 on 2 going into the double. That's pretty good odds. (Well 4 on 2 since she can't play)

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      • KeninVA
        KeninVA commented
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        No chance, IMO. This is going to be a hard week, keeping Julia calm, not the other way around. There is zero incentive for Vanessa to have Julia leave over Meg, and no chance that she feels she can team up with James and Meg.

    • #15
      Very interesting reading this morning. It occurred to me while reading, that with a Meg exit, there will be four singles, Vanessa, Steve, JMac, and James against the twin/showmance triplet alliance. I know that there are looser ties with the others, Vanessa/Steve, Steve/ JMac, JMac/James even, but essentially the four are singles and each has their own strengths that complement each other so that one of the four should win any HoH/POV over Austwins (except the ropes comp). From that perspective it makes sense to get rid of Meg. I'm not sure the others see it, but if Vanessa can smooth things over with James, she has built her army to go against Austin and the twins. At the very least she's in the middle of a 3 vs. 3. At this point, I don't know who her preferred F2 is, but she may wait to see how things play out a little more.

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