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**sdkgeo** · 08-31-2015, 05:36 AM

Morning everybody.

**KeninVA** · 08-31-2015, 07:23 AM

Morning geo, and all who follow,

Meg made her approach to Vanessa, promised the world, with plans to deliver, and made a plan to have James come up right after music to help try to seal the deal.

Her deal, she will throw the next HoH, James will not put her up, but put Meg up, against his target. Van noms Jmac, and lets him go. Vanessa promised to sleep on it, and evaluate in the morning.

I don't expect her to take the deal. A. She knew this was coming, as Austin has effectively re-integrated himself to James/Meg. Leaving James/Meg together, puts her down, at the bottom of Brass Tacks again, and removes an 80% trust active ally in Jmac, vs a zero trust promise to not go after her (vice Jmac that will try to help her, there is a difference).

She has caused enough perturbation, and causing more, this late in the game will make her a bigger target. Steve and Jmac know something about her game, and she knows they will have no problem blowing things up.

She has Austin on board, right now, so to give him an option of James/Meg over her, when James/Meg would not throw Austwins under the bus, should show they are tight with each other, and will be loyal to Austwins, over her.

Meg's deal is not going to be good enough to undo her current position, which is James is her only risk with HoH, which is not likely to favor him winning after two physical HoH's in a row. The 2nd F8 HoH was his to lose, and he did. Baring a lucky crapshoot HoH (which is typically the F4 HoH) he is not likely to see the HoH suite again in the game.

I expect Vanessa to listen carefully to James, praise their game play, and then continue in the march to get rid of Meg. Steve and John briefly discussed flipping the script and voting out Julia, but they would have to know, if they went against Vanessa, then not only would Austin potentially pick up James/Meg, but Vanessa would have no choice but to go all in with Austwins, who have never crossed her in actions, even if contemplated, vs someone actively promising to do something, and then going back on it.

Vanessa is going to nom Julia today, and then the long march to Thursday begins. JMO.

**Twirlly** · 08-31-2015, 07:45 AM

Good morning BBU

Vanessa will not take James deal as it is known that he has no problem not honoring deals. Julia goes up and James will work to flip JMac and Steve.

I can't help but wonder about Austin in this situation. Perhaps Judas votes out Julia... hmmm. He has made several comments about how hard it is trying to protect two girls and himself and how hard it is getting that done. He knows that Liz/Julia will always take each other. Austin isn't as stupid as he appears. He has a fairly decent handle on the game. He throws the hinky vote and all will suspect JMac, one that he really wants out. JMac does appear sincere with his new found buddy Vanessa and will not vote Julia out. However, Steve is sneaky and may throw a hinky vote as well. He knows the Austwins need broke up. He may see this as a time that will not come around again easily. Funny as all get out to see Julia go out because of sneakiness!! Oh, and Van can write her that 10K check!! I know I'm dreaming and a girl can dream!

**KeninVA** · 08-31-2015, 08:01 AM

I don't believe Austin votes out Julia this early. I think he is not that good of a liar, and it would not benefit him even a little, at this point in time. Steve, I think, would know suspicion would fall on him, as he has been shady in the past, and Vanessa can't read him, making him untrustworthy for her, within the game. And, she knows Jmac and her were of the same mind, get Meg out to free up James. If Meg/James are all in still, Jmac has no way to believe Meg/James would not just run to Austin (and they would, with Jmac being a prime target for James, since he represents a physical threat.).

It still amazes me that James/Meg, with their particular skill sets, would choose to go to F5 with Austwins. I understand why Vanessa would accept that, if it comes to pass, since she believes, with some evidence, that she will win the F4 PoV comp (at the least) (even if I think that will be her undoing, if Liz is still in the game, based on history), and she has been working overtime to structure a deal where Julia or Austin would be able to keep her in the game, besides herself, which evens the odds a lot.

So, as I said above, Vanessa is going to be set up after this week, for at least a few cycles, to deal with James, and in fact, having James in, for her, lets her win F6 HoH, and target James over anyone else, preserving her ''cover'' with either Austwins (if they were the HoH in the DE) or with Rockstars, if they are both still in after the double.

One entirely possible scenario, is that Austin, Liz, Vanessa do trade HoH's, in which case James, Steve and Jmac will end up being put out by F4. Jmac has never won an HoH.

**augie33** · 08-31-2015, 08:08 AM

What are your thoughts on who will win this Thursdays Double Eviction HOH, since it will most likely be questions? And who will the HOH's targets be?

**Autumn** · 08-31-2015, 08:53 AM

BBhead I'm banking on you being right. I would love to see Liz walking out the door in the DE on Thurs night. It would be great to see all the chaos created for next week.

**sofieckcs** · 08-31-2015, 08:53 AM

With Meg going, there will be 5 women in jury. 6 if Liz goes. They will not forgive Vanessa. If it were men in jury, they wouldn't take it as personal and would appreciate the gameplay. The women won't forget. Vanessa may get her way and make it to the F2 only to lose to a bitter jury. Sunday night on the show, Shelli said all 4 were going after Vanessa. Being in the jury a couple of weeks hasn't softened their feelings for Vanessa.

**crissykins** · 08-31-2015, 09:09 AM

here's my dream scenario. Vanessa puts Liz on the block, splitting up the Austwins, James, J-Mac, Steve get a clue that this is their chance to split them up and vote Liz out. They realize that if things keep going like they are, the Austwins end up in the finale all together and vote Liz out. Julia, who only tolerates Austin to keep the peace with her sister, flips and works with the other side to get Vanessa or Austin out during the double.

A girl can dream, right?

**Autumn** · 08-31-2015, 09:09 AM

Silly me. I cancelled my Live Feeds last week. Just couldn't watch James going out the door. But now he's safe for at least another week. What if Austin wins the HOH next week. Puts up Steve and or Vanessa or Julia and Steve goes to Jury. Sure couldn't miss that. So I had to re activate the Feeds just now.

**crissykins** · 08-31-2015, 09:13 AM

i haven't been keeping up with the live feeds AT ALL....had a lot going on the last couple of weeks, so I'm not really sure what's going on in there.

**KeninVA** · 08-31-2015, 09:19 AM

Vanessa is NEVER putting an Austwin up to knowingly get voted out. It is why I am surprised Steve is not thinking of throwing to Jmac. Let Jmac do it and he can be preserved ahead of Jmac. He does it, and Jmac is going to be preserved ahead of him, IMO. I agree with BBhead.

**belle1** · 08-31-2015, 09:39 AM

So Vanessa has set up the battle between the Austwins and the Rockstars while she sits in the middle waiting to see who wins out. The line in the sand will be drawn during the DE. So which side wins? Does this battle allow James safety for a couple of weeks?

Poor Steve he thinks he is the middle man.

**WxGal3** · 08-31-2015, 10:36 AM

Any chance that JMmac and Steve are waiting until Julia is actually on the block before saying they will vote her out?

**BettyBoo** · 08-31-2015, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by WxGal3 View Post

Any chance that JMmac and Steve are waiting until Julia is actually on the block before saying they will vote her out?

If I were them, I'd never announce it, just do it. I would just assure that James planned to give Meg a sympathy vote, but do it right before show time. Then in the DE take out either Vanessa, Austin or Liz to improve their odds. But I'm not in those shark-infested water like they are, I'm just watching Jaws.

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