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[sdkgeo]

Will he flip or won't he flip, that is the question. Whether tis better in the heart of Steve to rid the house of a twin or...

I guess even the possibility of a flip is fun, but we shall see whether Steve can take his cajones back from Vanessa to do it. I love the throwback to season 5 I get watching him run through the scenarios with skittles. Austwins are green skittls. There is an orange twosome and then a three individual colors. I'm not sure though who the orange duo is though in his mind, him and Vanessa?

He is stressing though and talking to himself. Come on Steve go against Mommy Vanessa.

[sdkgeo]

Vanessa is on alert and is watching the kitchen on the HoH tv to catch any shenanigans. AND, the best part is she's sitting there eating popcorm. LOL

She is stressing. These people are not supposed to have minds of their own, their supposed to be her puppets darn it. Is she going to regret putting Julia up instead of John? The one thing she was afraid of was John going over to James and Meg and it seems like that is what might happen, with John dragging Steve over to them as well.

[sofieckcs]

If Steve flips and Julia goes home, do you think Vanessa will,give her the $10,000 she promised Julia if she gets voted out? ,LOL

[aprilshowers]

Good Morning all,

Do you think they get a hint today that they are going into a double? If the Veto is the ball pit one, you know they are going to be told to wear athletic clothes. I think if that happens they will know something is up since they don't really need athletic clothes for the one they gave them to practice. I guess if it is the puzzle Veto (but they kinda had that last time) then it wouldn't matter what they wear.

I know Steve and John wont change their minds but they need to starting thinking about their game. If they have really listened to Vanessa arguments with all the double talk they should know she is setting herself up to be at the end. Those two will be assuming the most risk during the double. If James is on the block and he does win the Veto, who do you think they are sending home. The twins will not be sending Vanessa home.

And Vanessa talking about last night about all the friends that James has on Jury. He has Jackie and Meg when she goes. Shelli does not like him at all, if the twins go to jury, they do not like him at all. Vanessa is the one who will end up with the most friends in jury.

[belle1]

I got the impression listening to James and Meg that they were told to wear what they want. Meg was happy because she could dress up to meet Julie.

[sdkgeo]

Come on, go with your gut Steve. Make the flip.

[sdkgeo]

Come on John go in and talk to Steve. Darn it, don't go back to your dentist chair.

[aprilshowers]

Steve needs to go to sleep so he will be in top shape for the HOH comp tonight.

[Twirlly]

I was just thinking the same thing. His anxiety is off the charts. He knows what he should do, but, he let Vanessa get into his head and now he can't sort it all out.

[Twirlly]

C'mon Steve and JMac! Give us another image to add to the ones made by Dustin and Danielle!! (I don't know how to post them here). You can do it!!!

Ken is absolutely right about Vanessa being the best player strategically. She has played the game, however is some ways she has certainly overplayed the game. Her social game will be her undoing if she isn't very careful. Everyone in the house knows she is the one to beat. Spoken or unspoken she is the target. I'm not sure that her social skills will allow her to fully recover if the mutiny goes forward.

I think Austin will be ok if Julia leaves. In his talk with Steve and Vanessa he said HE couldn't turn on them until after F5. I think he was trying to subtly send the message. He knows they will have to be split. He also knows that Julia is Vanessa's true take along. He will feign anger and sadness, but, I think he will be quietly glad. Julia out now prevents him from having to make that call down the road therefore Julia and Liz, two jury votes, aren't bitter toward him.

I am so excited for tonight!!

[Lynette]

Good Morning All,

Happy DE Day! Didn't think it would ever get here! I pray our BBU site is fixed and working tonight! And Steve, go to bed! You need to be alert and ready to go tonight.

[nonobadfish]

THIS is what we want to see, right, Twirlly?







And maybe this one, too...



(Hey geo or Purr or any mod, if these photos are taking up too much bandwidth on a DE day (or if they're adding any problem), please delete them. Now that we've all got their faces in our minds, we're good if we need to lose the pics. Thank you!)

[Lynette]

Thanks Nono! Danielle and her open mouth is forever burned in my brain!

[Ladychef]

Thanks for the laugh this morning !! nonobadfish

[cpamama]

Oh, we need another one of those moments so badly. I'd like to see Vanessa surprised!

[nonobadfish]

Morning all.....

Unless you are a Vanessa fan (or Austin fan), it sure makes sense for JMac and Steve to flip this vote....especially after hearing Austin's slip about how long he wants to keep the twins intact. (I haven't seen any twins fans, so I didn't include them).

Steve is such a super fan that he surely understood the implications of a practice round with instructions that EVERYONE should practice. He knows from history that they're not giving them a POV to practice, and if it's an HoH that everyone needs to practice for....it has to be a Double Elimination. He knows this, somewhere deep down in his brain.

And there is no better time to strike than a DE. He and JMac could have Julia and one of the other Austwins out of there by 9:00 pm BBT tonight. What a celebration in the land!!!!!

They most likely won't do it because they're living in a vacuum and it's impossible for them to see the complete picture, but how fun that they considered it. Makes me proud of JMac and Steve

[~smee~]

'Sok, jen123 . Please post -- we need more twin fan opinions. I'm a fan of a different person every day or two this year. I just can't with Austin, but other than that, I can't make up my mind on any of the others. They all entertain me at one time or another, and tick me off at one time or another, which is what makes me like this season so much. Big hugs.

[nonobadfish]

(((((jen123))))) PLEASE post more because 1. We miss you and 2. We need twin fans posting! I always see House Guests in a different light when their fans post about them.

[Ladycop]

jen123, please post more as I need to be more understanding about those two and you might be the one who pushes me to ''like'' them. I try to remember that they are young and from Miami and they speech cadence is probably a reflection of that.

[Myragirl]

I think Steve's going to flip. Where's Ken to placate me? My internet at home went out yesterday (actually all 3 of my services). Couldn't be a worse timing. Thankfully there's mobile internet. But hotspoting eats up a ton of data so I abandoned my laptop for simply viewing on my phone. The problem is that I can't flashback on my phone. I saw the conversation between Steve and Vanessa. I thought she made solid points about the Austwins preferring Meg and James, and how this was exemplified by not nominating either of them last week. I also agree that Julia is the wrong twin to oust. I think the biggest problem for Steve is that there is the strong possibility that he might lose John in the next few weeks, and for him, John is more of an ideal F2 than Vanessa is. Second, he realizes that the Austwins have a bigger say in the game going forward if they escape because of numbers. He's a super fan afterall.

The biggest reason I think Steve wants to flip IMO is he suspects it's a DE, and might be able to trim the trio from 3 to 1. The problem is I think if the flip happens, Vanessa loses a lot of the advantages she gained this week, and I'm #TeamVanessa, so... And if somehow Steve/John don't win HoH during the DE, then the move only puts Steve in a worse spot. And since Steve is my number 2, things are looking bad on my board. If Meg and James reunite with Liztin, they will target Vanessa/Steve/John, that's bad bad bad because there goes my top three in the house. My train will officially be off the tracks. #Derailed.

I can't flashback to the second conversation between John and Steve, or Steve's soliloquy until maybe during lunch today if things are so slow at work, so I'm freaking out. Can anyone reassure me? I don't want to lose any of my trio, or their goat. I don't want to lose VJJ'S before they even become a thing. Plus I'm definitely #NotTeamMeg.

Oh and morning everyone.

[KeninVA]

Myra, I can't give you much hope. Steve is a wild card. I am waiting to see what John and Steve say to each other, and too Vanessa. She made a pretty strong case. The gamble becomes, maybe, getting Austin/Liz out right after Julia. All the Vanessa, John, Steve discussion was around splitting up Austin, Julia, James, which did not presume a combined Meg/James duo. If they get Liz and Julia out, in one night, depending on who is HoH at F6, the game is pretty reshaped, again. James will be the number one target if he is not F6 HoH, at least he should be for the boys and Vanessa, but a case can be made for Austin as well. I think Vanessa works to take out Steve, if she can.

James said last night, he thinks the twins have been cut out, and wants a deal with them if he stays. If Julia is out, why not align with James/Meg. The unique opportunity, and risk, is, Julia gets evicted, Liz or Austin win DE HoH, Steve or Jmac will go home, Liz/Austin align with James/Meg, Vanessa targets James/Steve or James/Austin (She goes after Steve if Jmac goes home, she goes after Austin if Steve goes home.).

I am sure Vanessa has this right, Austin and Liz will align with James/Meg. Vanessa won't be the first target, but she will be the in the mix with the boys. The unknown, is the DE, since no one has actually talked about go forward plans in the event of a flip.

[Ladycop]

Myragirl, I don't think Julia will be going tonight. Steve claims that he has been sick all night, throwing up, so he has ''no stomach'' to do anything risky tonight.

[Myragirl]

Thanks Ken and LadyCop. I have flashed-back to some important conversations which make me feel better. There's still a chance the flip can happen, but I'm not freaking out as much as this AM. This season has given us a ton of excitement, and I have decided to enjoy every bit of it instead of being fixated on one particular outcome. A flip would force Vanessa to be adaptable (a true mark of a good BB player) if she makes it past the DE. So either way we get a good show.

AT&T has come by the house, and all my services are up and running again. I'm all set for this DE. I have made my donation for today. Here's hoping my trio comes out of this DE in a better place.

[Luanne]

Good Morning, with my computer problems, company, and trouble getting in to BBU, I have not watched any feeds. (I hate not getting to watch feeds) It is hard to get a real feel without watching feeds as we all see each and every conversation differently. I can understand Johnny and Steve thinking about flipping the votes. You cut a threesome down to a duo. I do not think it is in their benefit to do this. Neither of them are really close to James and Meg, Austin is. I am sure if it is flipped, Austin will tell James, he was able to work it. James and Meg will not be any help to them in the next few HOH. Liz and Vanessa will be unhappy with them. Vanessa can not play in the first HOH but Liz can.

My hope for final 3 is just like Myragirl, Steve, Johnny and Vanessa. If they flip and by chance James wins HOH, Vanessa will leave. I hope they do not flip and one of my three win the next three HOHs to land in the final. Keeping my fingers crossed.

I may or may not be able to get back in---so this is a really hard week for me. My stress level is over the top. I am sure the James and Meg fans are happy. I still think James would be a better player without Meg.

[~smee~]

Hugs, Luanne. Hope things get better for you fast.

[jen123]

Stupid to flip the vote to save summer camper Meg, she needs to go!

[Luanne]

She can sleep in the jury house instead of the BB house. I think she has slept as much as McCrae.

[nonobadfish]

Hey, jen123!!!!!!! I agree that saving Meg does nothing. I want them to flip ONLY to get rid of a twin. Keeping Meg is just something that happens as an afterthought.

[~smee~]

Question -- so if Jmac & Steve should decide to flip the vote and save Meg, wouldn't James and Meg be grateful to them, and therefore more likely to work with them than the Austin and Liz? I cannot imagine why they would not.
Of course, this is all just smee wandering into the world of fantasy. I don't think there is any chance J&S flip this vote on V. I do think they would make the move if they win HOH, but I just don't think they (particularly John) are ready to upset their situation with V.

[slyone]

I think that's the key question for Steve and JMac .... do they gain allies or adversaries if they flip the vote? They're not sure. I'm hoping one or both are waiting until there is no time left for Van to rewind the house if they decide to flip and let know James and Meg they're doing it after gaining some assurances from James and to his intentions towards them. As always, JMO

[KeninVA]

In my opinion, they make adversaries. Austin/Meg are not going hold Julia/Austin to blame for needing to vote to keep Julia. Austin saying he is open to working with them, and Meg advising James to not just blindly go after Austin, is proof that Meg would like to hook up with them, again. The problem for James and Meg, being in a couple, it is safer to keep another duo around. They can't be sure Steve/John are really together. Plus, they are social creatures, as are James/Meg. There is a bond there, and they know Austin tried hard to protect them. I think, depending on the double HoH, either Vanessa, Steve or Jmac are the likely boots.

[Blogzie]

Live Feeds

2:46 AM Camera 3

Steve is anticipating the wrath of Vanessa if he flips the vote.

[Blogzie]

@slyone,

I'm hoping it is a good sign that he might flip the vote.
He started to go into the toilet but then came back out and used the sink as his vessel of choice.
It was as if he wanted us to see (and hear) it.
''Okay, I'm going to do this. But I want you to see how stressed out I am about it.''

[PipelinersWife]

What he doesn't know is Vanessa has already brainwashed the twins in to believing Austin will be behind it. Either by hinky vote or giving his blessing. If he knew that I think he would for sure flip because that would cause a Liz Austin rift, he wouldn't have as much backlash I don't think. I have to say, not a Van fan, but she is dang good at getting in to their brains planting seeds, especially with the twins. I think I could have been a fan if she would not have tried to snow us, me.

[Blogzie]

''I think I could have been a fan if she would not have tried to snow us, me.''

Yes! The same as with Derrick last season.