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**sdkgeo** · 09-09-2015, 05:51 AM

Morning all.

**BettyBoo** · 09-09-2015, 06:06 AM

I will laugh loudly if Liz stays, wins HOH & Vanessa departs next week. Karma is a bee-atch. Of course, Vanessa is betting on them taking out Steve for her. But, it's a bad bet for her going into final four when none of the other players will take you to the final three, so you must win either HOH or POV to get there. To me keeping Julia makes more sense for everyone but Austin, since she's the weakest player, but this has not been a logical season.

Meanwhile Johnny Mac continues like a rubber ducky, bobbing along in the turbulent BB waters, with a grin on his face as he's no one's direct target and he's a good choice for finals.

This season continues its anti-logical path?

**KeninVA** · 09-09-2015, 06:11 AM

Morning geo, and all who follow,

The HG's swung into game mode yesterday, all plotting and scheming to survive the next round. Julia and Austin convinced Liz to stay, and despite their plans to hang Vanessa out, she agreed almost immediately, extracting a worthless promise for her vote.

In the end, the final results will be the same, Austin/Liz cannot go to final four with Steve/Jmac intact. Steve/Jmac cannot go to F4 with Austin/Liz intact. Vanessa is still relatively safe. The big change, if Steve is not gettable, Liz might consider keeping Jmac over her, but I don't believe Austin would, and that will bring Liz around.

Safest in the house, today, is Jmac, since I think he has become viewed as the goat, for Liz/Austin/Vanessa and Steve.

I actually think the decision to keep Liz works better for Vanessa than Julia does, since she is a threat in being to win comps, has a good record, but will be beatable by Vanessa in the end, as her HoH's will have been viewed as being controlled by either Austin or Vanessa. Plus, Jmac will have a hard time cutting Vanessa, to take Liz. The only thing that would help Vanessa more, is if Julia "blows up Vanessa" on the way out of the house, re-enforcing how much the Jury is bitter to her.

For all the twins talk, to use a patented Nono term, they are the Flippiest of the houseguests. Anything said today, can change by tomorrow. I do expect Julia will end up as the boot, but anything is possible today.

I did not see the Jmac/Steve/Austin promised meeting, but expect it will happen today, unless I missed it.

Not much else, except the Liz/Austin show, for those that like that sort of thing.

**nonobadfish** · 09-09-2015, 07:06 AM

Morning everyone.
Vanessa'a in a good spot and a dangerous spot, both at the same time. All in the house (except possibly JMac) are very aware of how conniving she's been and don't trust what she says any longer. But they also aren't targeting her because there is a duo that worries them more. That means Vanessa could go home in a heartbeat because that's what happens to untrustworthy HGs. But she also could be safe because even though she's untrustworthy, there is not a lot of damage she can do any longer. There is a bit of enjoyable irony in watching the self-professed "Straight-Shooter, Never Tell a Lie, My Integrity is All I Have" Vanessa finally be outed as the opposite of all she's claimed to be. Straight-Shooter she is not.

I think a lot will depend on the Austin/JMac/Steve talk (JMac went to sleep, Ken, so it was postponed.) I believe JMac knows Vanessa's untrustworthy traits (he's been on to her a long time) but he's playing with her because it's his only option. Will he change his mind about keeping her safe after hearing that she's got deals with everyone? I don't know...because he really doesn't have another option. None of them can afford to leave Austin and Liz in the game together, so Austin/Liz have to be the target for Monday's taped eviction. (I think...right?)

Keeping Liz, IMO, is a bad option for everyone...(except for Liz, obviously, and maybe Julia who gets to escape the embarrassing behavior of her sister).

For Vanessa: If she's in F3 with Liz and Austin, it's a given that neither of them takes her to F2. But she's also raising the odds that she gets beat in the Final HoH Part 1 AND Part 2. Liz/Austin could beat her in both of those (where Julia most likely couldn't). So she's in much more danger of going out third with Liz. Julia would be easier to beat in the comps and in the F2.

For Austin: With Liz remaining, the target on both their backs remains. Austin likes to say that it would still be there even if Julia stayed, but I don't believe it would be nearly as large. I was impressed with how Austin manipulated Vanessa yesterday. If he lost Liz now, he really could focus on his single game and might actually win.

For Steve/JMac: Why keep a comp threat who is part of a duo? They're not going to have a choice in the matter if Vanessa votes with Austin, but it's not a good thing.

For us (the feedsters): I don't even have to say out loud why it's a bad thing for us if Liz stays in the house with Austin.

Maybe I'm simply biased because I want Austin/Liz-Free Feeds so it's safe to watch again. Sigh.

**********((((((((RUSSELL)))))))) Thinking of and praying for you this morning.***********

**nonobadfish** · 09-09-2015, 07:19 AM

While they sleep....did y'all see the Les Moonves Vulture article that came out yesterday? It's about his 20 year anniversary with CBS as Chairman/CEO, and in it he mentions Big Brother (among many other things.) He and his wife Julie are rumored to sometimes watch the Live Feeds, and they DEFINITELY keep up with the show, so I thought this particular quote was interesting:

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From the September 8, 2015 Vulture article "Network TV's Ultimate Survivor" written by Josef Adalian:

Vulture: And yet you’re still involved on a micro level with a lot of decisions. I’ve heard you still play a role in signing off on the cast for Big Brother …

Moonves: By the way, this wasn’t a great year for casting on Big Brother.

Vulture: Early on, the cast seemed pretty promising!

Moonves: I agree. Usually you have one or two disappointments. I think we had five or six disappointments. Another discussion.

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It's a very interesting article on the whole. But for our purposes, I wonder which 5 or 6 cast members he considers disappointments? And I wonder if Alison Grodner and Robyn Kassting are feeling the heat from the head boss' displeasure? It's not every day the Big Boss bashes your choices in public.

**Twirlly** · 09-09-2015, 07:31 AM

Good morning, BBU

Steve and Vanessa have a somewhat interesting convo at 1:15 A.M. BBT. I found it interesting that when she asked his opinion, he hedges (as he always does) and she calls him out on it. Saying how she lays everything out for him, tells him her thoughts and never does it for her in return. She goes on to explain to him why keeping Liz is good. He says he'll think on it.

Vanessa switches to keep Liz because she sees she needs a shield, IMO. I think she really wanted Julia, as she knew she could beat her, but, sees now that keeping Austin/Liz makes them the bigger target in front of her.

I think Julia goes now, Liz next leaves the F4 at a whole new game. Vanessa, Steve, Austin, JMac are all competitors! I also think that at the point we see virtually a new game with new deals being made. In all honest, with that F4 I would be ok with any winner as everyone of them has played the game.

NoNo, thanks for the info on Les Moonves. My guess is Audrey, Da'Vonne, Jeff, Jackie, Jason are disappointments. I mean that my guess would be during the casting process these are folks you would have expected to go much further.

**nonobadfish** · 09-09-2015, 07:39 AM

Once I started thinking about it, I am very curious who Les Moonves thinks were the 5 or 6 BB HG disappointments (see my post above). Probably Jackie and Jeff since he most likely hoped for big things with that particular stunt casting. But I'm having trouble deciding who the three or 4 others would be....maybe Audrey? Is he disappointed in her "stay in bed" attitude? I wonder if he'll ever say who they are. Curious am I.

**Myragirl** · 09-09-2015, 08:03 AM

I watched the US Open yesterday instead of BB, then I check in today and find out Liz is staying?!?!? Ken, I don't agree with you that Liz staying is in Vanessa's best interest. First, Vanessa has no influence with Liz anymore, the stupid girl is in love, and will believe everything and anything Austin tells her, second, if Steve wins veto, Vanessa is leaving next in a Liztin HoH (@nono must be very happy that her boy is the safest in the house), third with Liz gone, she is Austin and Julia's #2, but with Liz in there, she is #3 or even #4 (below JMac). #KarmaTrain and #BitterJuryAlliance must be very happy with the turn of events. I am obviously not, so I hope that JMac/Steve/Vanessa have a talk that flips this fast. Hopefully JMac is a voice of reason, and they keep it amongst themselves so we get our first blindside this season. I don't care if there is a damage to Vanessa's game. There is already a huge damage. On the other hand, maybe keeping Liz will light the fire under JMac to win HoH.
Conclusions: 1. If Vanessa keeps Liz, she deserves to lose this season. 2. She and JMac need to win this HoH to be safe (which as Steve keeps reminding us, means your game is bad). 3. I can't believe there is the possibility of BB presents: Gross sex in the purple room by Liztin, Ugh. I have come to avoid the feeds because of them, and was really looking forward to a soft porn free feeds.

**PipelinersWife** · 09-09-2015, 08:05 AM

Heres hoping the new day does not bring more of Liz and Austins disgusting porno show. While I so want her to leave, her staying will possibly provide more drama. Have been chatting with Whitney, the friend running Twitter account for James. She's raised/raising money to fly out since I don't think production will pay, so that James will have someone there for him. I don't think Bree, baby mama, can take off work so his little girl won't be there. A real sweet young lady.

**Tjeffy** · 09-09-2015, 09:10 AM

VANESSA IS THE REASON WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.
Who benefits from keeping Liz? Austin and Liz of course. He gets at least one more week of playing finger games with Liz and Liz gets one more week of whatever she's getting. They get one more week of safety if he or Liz wins HOH. Well sort of. If either of those two win HOH and they nominate two for eviction and the third person wins the veto and takes one nominee down they will be forced to put their love buddy on the block. Now that would be pure karma.
When Vanessa votes to evict Julia I hope that Vanessa goes next week by their hands.When Vanessa told the twins that they should decide which one goes I asked myself what strategy is this. Who gives the people on the block that decision? Then it dawned on me, Vanessa thought she had total control over all the players and that she thought she would convince them which way was beneficial to her. When that failed she gave them ultimatums on her keeping Liz. Her wording was so obvious that it made her look even more sketchy than she already appears. She talks too early, too fast and too much. One of her many problems have been trying to play the game too quick. Timing is everything and she started some of her F2 plans much too early. Like her F2 with Julia. All her deals now seem over played and all the remaining players have caught on. Not just one or two but all of them. Her game the last few weeks has been messy. She runs from one player to the next and they've all seen her do this. I found her terminology for floater spot on. A passive floater and a aggressive floater. She is the true definition of an aggressive floater if ever there was one. I bet she sees it differently than I do. She thinks she has chosen a side and I think she has chosen all sides.
I hope Steve stays next week because I think he's been bullied enough in this game to last him a lifetime. By all of the house guest remaining but John. Vanessa has amped up her continuous barrage of complaints about him cleaning his dishes. Even going so far as stomping up to the HOH room to drag him down by his ears because he didn't wash his cereal bowl. She and Austin have continuously made fun of him behind his back. Laughed at him for being a "nerd". Liz and Julia have called him names that have made me cringe. I have not been one of his fans but I find them cruel and hope he makes it to the F2 for that reason alone. His social awkwardness is not his fault.
I would love to see Steve and John in the F2. That's my train and I'm staying on it til it comes into the station.

**Myragirl** · 09-09-2015, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by nonobadfish View Post

Once I started thinking about it, I am very curious who Les Moonves thinks were the 5 or 6 BB HG disappointments (see my post above). Probably Jackie and Jeff since he most likely hoped for big things with that particular stunt casting. But I'm having trouble deciding who the three or 4 others would be....maybe Audrey? Is he disappointed in her "stay in bed" attitude? I wonder if he'll ever say who they are. Curious am I.

I definitely think that Jason and Audrey were disappointments this season. My 5 would be Jason, Audrey, Jeff, Jackie, and Da'vonne. We can add Meg to the 5 to give us 6. Even though Jackie is high on some polls, most fans on twitter like her either because she is cute, or she was against Vanessa. IMO, she never brought anything to the game. I added Meg to the list as my 6th because I read 2 other exit interviews yesterday where Meg said in one that, she thought everyone but John was in summer camp, and so John deserves to win because he is the only one playing the game. In the other, she said that every eviction by Vanessa's hand was personal. It just goes to show that she had no concept of the game, and now I am glad that she got taken out (sending an apology to all Meg fans if I sound insensitive). I just wish she had been taken out weeks before, or even a week before DE, because I think James would have been able to build a more protective alliance, and strategy in the game without her there. IMO, if that was not a DE, JMac would be in jury now instead of James. I really feel bad for James. I wish he would have been able to have his crush on Meg, but align with someone else (like Hayden and Kristen). Unfortunately, he got saddled with her, and it ruined his game.

I am one of those who doesn't mind recruits in the game. They have been there from the inception of the game, and I love the way they balance out fans, and super fans. I just want recruits who do their research after getting casted, are competitive, and are there for the right reasons. Becky is an example of that to me, unfortunately she let personal targets, and power get the best of her.

**Myragirl** · 09-09-2015, 10:52 AM

Tjeffy, I love the idea of a Liz HoH that forces her to nominate Austin who then gets evicted, or vice versa. How glorious would that be!

I just doubt such a game move from these HGs.

**BettyBoo** · 09-09-2015, 11:17 AM

I suspect that ratings combined w/declining LF subscriptions may be contributing to Moonves' unhappiness over this season. The bigot mess season, followed by the predictable Derrick season, and this season leaving us with mostly unlikable players has got to have him wondering about Alison & production's casting and game play decisions. Hopefully an All-Star season will revive the format next year.

I agree with many, drop BOB and have food contests. I would have the winner get a catered meal each day, while the 3 or 4 losers would have slop, but with one MRE each day. They could also win week slop passes or rewards like a movie night that they could use or trade as they desired.

For we fans I think they should have 3 levels of Live Feeds. Basic would be what we have now. Premier would allow us to be Skippy - all cameras all the time, with some games and ceremonies the only stuff blocked. Platinum would include a once a day open DR where each HG could say what they wanted to viewers without coaching from TPTB. It could just last a minute or two once the HG hit a button and cut them off even in mid-word when the clock runs out. Most would just be 'Hi, Mom' babble, but we could get some insight into game play.

For new players, they need a better range of people, not just pickups from the bars or those wanting an entertainment career. Survivor and Race have both had players with hearing disabilities or missing limbs, why not BB? Variety in age, ethnicity, etc. would give the show more diversity and spice. Enough of those who only look good in a bikini.

I gave up on BB for a few years when it sunk into a porn show. Came back with Dan's season and have enjoyed most if it since then. But, if this is where the show is sinking again, they'll lose me as a viewer. Come on, Les, let's get this show back to what it can be!!

**GrandmaSusan** · 09-09-2015, 11:26 AM

All Stars! Should be house guests that made it to F3-F4-F5, but got there playing not floating. What do you all think?

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